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showi
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Hello,
my name is Andreas.
Illusionist from Germany.

Do You know, who build the Round Version of the Hans Klok Sub-Trunk (Metamorphosis)?
The round one is not often seen and the performance is easier, because you have more space on top.
Thank you very much.
Yours Andreas
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Not sure, but you could try Dutch Illusion Design
http://www.di-design.nl/
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The builder of the original round sub-trunk of Hans Klok, was John Hedy.
But that was about 25 years ago. Hedy has stopped working, because he is retired nowadays.
But I guess that Dick of Dutch Illusion Design can help you out; he has built one of the
latest "trunks" for Klok.
But it's better to be creative then copying Hans Klok, because he is touring Germany again
in a few weeks.
(note: Dick is the father of Marcel Kalisvaart, winner Grand Prix - illusions 2012)
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A round hotbox style sub trunk has been around for 60 plus years (that I know of), Peter Diamond of England used to have it in his catalogue.

And it has been published in many books. So if you want to go round, go round!

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On 2012-11-26 15:35, john wills wrote:

But it's better to be creative then copying Hans Klok, because he is touring Germany again
in a few weeks.


Way to throw your assumption that is is trying to copy Klok in there!! I guess Klok should be ashamed that he copied Houdini. Or Copperfield should be ashamed because he copied Henning when he performed Origami. I have yet to see one unique subtrunk. And how many ways can you actually perform the subtrunk and not inadvertantly copy someone else? Yes, there are subtleties amongst performers, but you ask a lay person who saw the Pendragons one day, and Angel the next, and Klok the following, and they will simply tell you they all did the same trick. Until someone gives you an indication or proof that they intend to copy someone we all should just SHUT IT. Unfortunately, I believe that would be impossible around here.
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If a builder has a picture of a prop on his site and is allowed to sell it due to his arrangement with the client he built it for, then so be it!! Just because the trunk is round doesn't mean the performer can't make it their own. And I also agree with Blair's comment on the history of the piece!

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One of his round subtrunks was made by his father who was illusion builder. he also built Hans' Dekolta Chair
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Hans Klok fan,

If you read the book Hans Klok - "portret van een beroepsbedrieger" (portrait of a professional cheater) by Pieter van Hove,
then you will find on page 27 that John Hedi has build the FIRST round subtrunk (ronde hoedendoos = round hatbox) for Hans Klok.
I know for sure that's the REAL story about that illusion.
His swordbox he has bought from Cornell & Monique and the Lightsuspension he BORROWED from Ger Copper.
That's the illusionact he started with.
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Are you dutch? because I am.
and what do you mean by lightsuspension?
his father also built one of his subtrunks. that is in the same book!
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The Lightsuspension is an illusion that goes (as often) under different names.
Nowadays it's called the Neon Bulb Suspension.
In short: a Broomstick Illusion, but the broomstick is replaced by a light tube.
The same book, see photo on page 60.
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I believe the light tube version was invented by Chuck Kirkham, in California, 30-40 years ago. First time I saw him do it, it blew me away. I then booked him onto a show I brought to Japan around 1980.
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Just found a Tannen's ad in an 1980 Genii Magazine with a round sub trunk advertised!!

Doesn't say who the maker was, but most likely they were getting it from Europe.

Vinny
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I believe Jack Bateman had a round "ladies hat box" meta back in the 60's - think there is a photo of it in one of the Magic Inc. yearbooks.

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AllAboutMagic wrote:
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I have yet to see one unique subtrunk.


In a flagrant act of self proselytising I'd just like to say that it's a shame you missed my subtrunk routine in 1996 at Blackpool Magician's Convention Competition. If you had I'm pretty sure you'd want to add a caveat to your post. I performed my subtrunk after two other acts had performed a subtrunk in their acts the same competition on the same evening. My act, that ended with my subtunk routine, got the biggest reaction I've ever seen any magic routine get anywhere.

It literally stopped the show. The MC had to abandon introducing the next act and leave the stage because he simply couldn't get the audience to settle down.

It was a one off moment of glory.

:)
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I think Jack Hughes built the hatbox style trunk in England back in the 60's. I seem to remember Korengo performing it here in the US.
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Jack Hughes did build several round style subs, I know Nardini owns a round sub (the first one I had seen).
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Just for further info the Hat Box Substitution is described and detailed in Vol. 1 of the Jack Hughes trilogy (1981) but little dating of any props appears in those volumes.

Also the box described is not actually round, but 6 sided.

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As a reference for my note about Peter Diamond above, I finally found the flyer, the substitution "Hat Box" appears in his "Magic News" No.1 (undated ad flyer) but he refers to acts using it in their 1965 season. There is an ad for a truly round trunk, and photos of two different British acts using them.

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I think Chuck Jones used to do a hatbox type in the eighties.
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Just for information : There's one for sale at magicauction.com in the "Illusions located outside USA" section.

Oliver.
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