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Jonathan Townsend
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This is about re-imagining the goth personae to become congruent with our environment. What we have now (IMHO) is both anachronistic and nostalgic reflecting not choices but ignorance of many modern resources. In their time these folks were early adopters. One made the papers by having a PINK vest made and wearing it to the theater. That was the hight of shock 'couture' back in 1780. Let's imagine what these folks might look like and do today...

They may have computers composing chants, and focus by the light of the Plasma screen.

What does a 21st Century Goth wear? How much of the techno language might they use? Would they speak of spells or code? Would a charm now be a hack?

Why wear a cloak when you can carry your works on a few home burned CDs or DVDs?

Instead of makeup like the folks in the 17-1800s wore between baths... perhaps sunscreen to prevent sunburn and cancer?

Perhaps the PRADA tag is the new membership sign?

What are your thoughts on bringing the sterotype 18th-19th century character into the 21st century?
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If you're near a gaming store, you could look through the Shadowrun game sourcebooks for one rendition of what you might call "aggressive urban goth".
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Wasn't that a Doors song.."She's a 20th Century Goth". Sorrry I could not resist.
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OMG, I caught a Shadowrun reference? I AM a geek! I really miss playing that game!
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Well, this is an area to explore the "Goth-Wow!" responses of your audiences! Couldn't resist.

True Goths would ALWAYS be armed. Today, that could mean a quick wit, razor keen irony and a T-3 connection to the net!

Frankly, as this is becoming more and more mainstream, why not go the OPPOSITE direction and do the 1950's Man In The Gray Flannel Suit route, instead?

Goths aren't scary. IRS auditors are scary. NSA investigators are scary. SWAT Teams are scary.

Not a bunch of people in white face makeup wearing clothes reminiscent of bad vampire movies and the Matrix.

They're just conformist to the youth pseudo-counter culture.

Be DIFFERENT! Every young magician I see these days wants to be Chris Angel. Do something different instead! Something weird, strange and off beat.

Zoot suits and spats come to mind. Flappers and sharkskin suits glimmer in the background. Maybe even formal Scots kilts (modern) or a 3 piece business suit, a toga or an Addidas "Bruce Lee" running suit.

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And I thougth I was the only one who still played
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You guys are talking about Goths as if they don't exist today. My local coffee shop is packed with teenagers in black lipstick.
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Firedice27,

I imagine they make great coffee too.

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Firedice writes: "My local coffee shop is packed with teenagers in black lipstick."

I think that's a big part of the problem: Everyone wants to "non-conform" by conforming.

Just remember: When everybody is somebody, then nobody is anybody!
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Back in the early punk days, I went to the dark suit. Now wondering how the cutting edge of wicca and urban intensity that was goth might move ahead in character.

The black lipstick and white face paint is all part of that 17-18 century hygiene thing. Anyway...Frilly shirts are for mall goths Smile And black lipstick is a safe thing these days. as is the one black fingernail. That was hip in the 80s. Today... looking for clues.
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Transdermal implants anyone?
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Haven't heard of transdermal implants. Those words conjure some interesting images for me. Is this like having an IR or printer port socket installed in your neck?
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I was referring to very extreme body modification techniques, like having horns implanted or 3d shapes placed under the skin etc. Basically taking the piercing/jewellery fashions alot further.
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Sludge, agreed. The newer extreme body modifications are wwhat seems to me pushing the limits today. Implants, scarification, extreme piercing, facial tattoos, and even permanent dental work so people can have fangs.

I know I'm getting old when I start shaking my head at kids. But I grew up in the punk scene, and we all thought we were so original. Yet, all we were really doing was trying to look exactly like eachother. So there we were, with bright green liberty spike mohawks and looking at people and yelling, "What are you lookin' at!?"
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I'm a Goth Smile and it depends what type of gothic persona you want to exude. Young "mosher" goths were hoodies of their favourite bands or with cool looking symbols. they were bracelets called sh£g bands which are just black rubber rings and some wear spiked bracelets (like me). If you want to be a matrix style goth then just copy what they wear, including some chunky silver rings with skuill engravings.

In conclusion I think that the persona you are thinking of is a mixture of the mosher (criss angel style) with the matrix (tru goth style) may I suggest for coolness a type of shirt that I know which is black and shortsleeved and instead of sleeves you have rubber netting along with a few bracelet spikes and black trousers with a chain you should start looking mean. Smile
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And look like everyone else.

Sorry, but it's STILL conformity.

Do something DIFFERENT instead.

Watch the reactions. They can be really FUN!

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Hear hear Mr. Darrow!
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Jonathan Townsend
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Could someone help this by stating the ideals and motivations that define Goth?
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On 2003-11-07 22:57, JonTown wrote:
Could someone help this by stating the ideals and motivations that define Goth?


In your opening statement for the thread, I thought you already did that somewhat, in that you characterized Goths as being, in their original incarnation, those rebellious enough to wear the odd-colored waistcoat, etc.

Although in my definition, that's merely being a dandy.

To my mind, Goth in the modern day is a neo-romantic movement that, contrary to the forever-young stance of mainstream American society, isn't afraid to embrace the fact of mankind's mortality. In so doing, it fetishizes funereal symbols and fashions, particularly of the Victorian era, and holds an appreciation for gothic literary, music, and visual arts. Hence the veneration for vampiric symbolism, and its simultaneous embrace and subversion of religious iconography (particularly of the Catholic Church).

The Matrix look is not Gothic, per se (which is, by definition, retro). It is Industrial/Futurist. However, color pallette being similar and the lines blurred thanks to a liquid subculture, some people do wear a bit of both, in addition to a smattering of Fetish-with-a-capital-F clothing -- particularly in clubland. After all, getting noticed is really the aim of all fashion, isn't it.
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Necromancer - WELL SAID.
Florian Rago - What makes you think that matrix style goth is the "tru goth style"?

Being goth is also about unity. In many peoples opinion it is not something to be devided into subcatagories. The gothic subculture is sapposed to be a small enough group as it is.

My persona is vary much gothic but I don't make it a habbit to call myself a goth when IM not onstage just because I like to dress in a way that makes ME feel comfertable and I don't feel like conforming to a large group of hot topick kids.
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