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Steven Webb
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I was shown this effect at my magic club last month and it floored me. I'm new at magic (I wonder how long I can fet away with that line?) and love practicing this effect. It is because of this trick that I learned an EC and DL, though my DL is atrocious.

So far I've performed it for my grandma obly, as I want to smooth out everything first, but I know it will play huge.

This combined with my other recently purchased packet trick(Twisted Sisters) will deliver a good kick to my limited experience without gaffs.
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I've still got to get this. $$$ is tight right now. Smile
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I agree still just perfect and is the perfect opener, I perform this all the time as part of my regular set.

For me the best and most direct card transposition out there, always has a strong effect on laypeople who are floored.
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Very powerfull card trick. I never leave home without it.
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One of my top ten, always in my wallet effects. Such a quick visual stunner, a great way to grab peoples attention before leading them into the netherworld....
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The DVD has been on my wishlist for a long time.
I still have the effect with the yellow instructions, but my cards have worn out completely!
Actually, I haven't got any other effect that looks as worn-out as my copy of Double Back, I literally must have used that effect thousands of times.
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I've got 4 sets made up. I'm always ready for this cool effect. Just did it yesterday and the stunned silence is still deafening.
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Happy New Years guys…:)

Still remarkable as well to see this string on Double Back still in the mix as well. I'm not surprised though, as it's really just that good. Gotta ring in a new set for the continuing journey. Smile

Oh, and if you see Jon Allen out there, be sure to thank him for this classic. Smile
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When I see @MB217 talk so highly of this... you know its gonna be good Smile I checked out the video and it looks GREAT Smile
Seems like the more of Jons stuff that I see the more impressed I am (For whatever its worth Smile )

Looks like I found my next purchase!
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I bought this two weeks ago and have been practicing it daily. I can't seem to get them to separate smoothly, they will only separate if I pull them directly apart (which makes the horrible sound Jon mentions in the video). I practice this multiple times daily and thought it would have broken in by now. I of course have watched the portion of the DVD that specifically addresses this, but once they touch, they hold fast. Any suggestions on how to more effectively break them in? I am very eager to start performing this. Thanks in advance, and thanks to Jon Allen for this amazing effect.
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On Feb 29, 2016, blurrylines wrote:
I bought this two weeks ago and have been practicing it daily. I can't seem to get them to separate smoothly, they will only separate if I pull them directly apart (which makes the horrible sound Jon mentions in the video). I practice this multiple times daily and thought it would have broken in by now. I of course have watched the portion of the DVD that specifically addresses this, but once they touch, they hold fast. Any suggestions on how to more effectively break them in? I am very eager to start performing this. Thanks in advance, and thanks to Jon Allen for this amazing effect.



You could try to contact Jon thru a pm and ask him if there might be another "trick" to make them separate easier. Smile If you scroll up you will see he posted awhile back and you can pm from there. Smile. Good luck.
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Sounds like they should have broken in by now. Perhaps yours was of a different or new material that makes it last longer.
Try rubbing your thumb over it as many times as necessary to get it where you like it.
I can separate mine by simply sliding them apart. Try giving that a good go. It may be that once you have separated them that way a couple of times it will become easier.
Yet still another option is to make a new set yourself. This is quite easy assuming you have the what's necessary. If not, it is cheap and easy to get a hold of.
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Let's face it: there are a lot of similar packet effects out there relying on this type of methodology, several of which have been mentioned in these posts.
I have most of them and take pleasure from the differences between them. A shout-out to Richard Sanders for ACE in particular.

BUT - I still hold Jon's effect in the highest esteem. Who'd have thought you could be creative within the confines of a four-card packet trick? But this approach to one of my favourite card plots - Dr Daley's Last Aces - remains the killer it was when I first got it from him when it was a sneak preview at a British convention - and now I'm on my fourth set of cards.

There's something about the flow of the handling as it unfolds, and the cleanliness, and how crystal-clear the plot is. Along the way I have made a few tweaks to it (as has Jon, I'm sure), but it remains a modern classic of this crowded genre.

Which is interesting since in the 1970s packet tricks were all the rage - then they got pushed aside somewhat - but seem to have made a return over the last couple of years.

Anyway, this is well worth your attention.
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Jon's IS the best.
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This is a brilliant effect - I bought it when it was just released and it has been my opener for years. It's got all the ingredients: a clear premise, group participation, the magic happens in the specs hands and its all over in a minute. It aways gets great reactions. Thanks Jon Allen!
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Very late to the party on this one, but...finally bought it after a Propdog live recommendation. In an age of substandard tricks disguised by pretty boxes (hello Summit) its nice to encounter a genius trick in misleadingly substandard packaging. If only it were possible to actually show people magic face-to-face right now Smile

Only one issue is the move you have to do at the bottom of the pack. I can do a reasonable DL in the regular position but finding this slightly more fiddly. Anyone got any tips?
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[quote]On Feb 16, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Very late to the party on this one, but...finally bought it after a Propdog live recommendation. In an age of substandard tricks disguised by pretty boxes (hello Summit) its nice to encounter a genius trick in misleadingly substandard packaging. If only it were possible to actually show people magic face-to-face right now Smile

Only one issue is the move you have to do at the bottom of the pack. I can do a reasonable DL in the regular position but finding this slightly more fiddly. Anyone got any tips? [/quote)

As you finish the Elmsley, keep a two card break. Then do a bottom stud double, which is very easy to do with only (four) cards, turning the two cards face up, then, flipping them over onto the other cards.

Audience reaction-wise, this trick is far superior to Doc Daley's last trick, IMO.
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[quote]On Feb 18, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
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On Feb 16, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Very late to the party on this one, but...finally bought it after a Propdog live recommendation. In an age of substandard tricks disguised by pretty boxes (hello Summit) its nice to encounter a genius trick in misleadingly substandard packaging. If only it were possible to actually show people magic face-to-face right now Smile

Only one issue is the move you have to do at the bottom of the pack. I can do a reasonable DL in the regular position but finding this slightly more fiddly. Anyone got any tips? [/quote)

As you finish the Elmsley, keep a two card break. Then do a bottom stud double, which is very easy to do with only (four) cards, turning the two cards face up, then, flipping them over onto the other cards.

Audience reaction-wise, this trick is far superior to Doc Daley's last trick, IMO.


Thanks for the advice. Not really familiar with the bottom stud double (or I am and have simply forgotten the name of it), where would be a good place for more info/tutorials?
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[quote]On Feb 18, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
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On Feb 18, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
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On Feb 16, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Very late to the party on this one, but...finally bought it after a Propdog live recommendation. In an age of substandard tricks disguised by pretty boxes (hello Summit) its nice to encounter a genius trick in misleadingly substandard packaging. If only it were possible to actually show people magic face-to-face right now Smile

Only one issue is the move you have to do at the bottom of the pack. I can do a reasonable DL in the regular position but finding this slightly more fiddly. Anyone got any tips? [/quote)

As you finish the Elmsley, keep a two card break. Then do a bottom stud double, which is very easy to do with only (four) cards, turning the two cards face up, then, flipping them over onto the other cards.

Audience reaction-wise, this trick is far superior to Doc Daley's last trick, IMO.


Thanks for the advice. Not really familiar with the bottom stud double (or I am and have simply forgotten the name of it), where would be a good place for more info/tutorials?


While holding the break, all of the cards are in dealing position in the left hand. Right hand approaches palm down. Pad of right middle finger is placed on the front right corner of the two bottom cards. Swivel the cards out using the left thumb base as a fulcrum. Once they clear the other two cards, turn them face up momentarily, Then flip them ,as one, face down onto the other two cards. Hope you can follow that.
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[quote]On Feb 18, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
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On Feb 18, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
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On Feb 18, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
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On Feb 16, 2021, dirtyfoucault wrote:
Very late to the party on this one, but...finally bought it after a Propdog live recommendation. In an age of substandard tricks disguised by pretty boxes (hello Summit) its nice to encounter a genius trick in misleadingly substandard packaging. If only it were possible to actually show people magic face-to-face right now Smile

Only one issue is the move you have to do at the bottom of the pack. I can do a reasonable DL in the regular position but finding this slightly more fiddly. Anyone got any tips? [/quote)

As you finish the Elmsley, keep a two card break. Then do a bottom stud double, which is very easy to do with only (four) cards, turning the two cards face up, then, flipping them over onto the other cards.

Audience reaction-wise, this trick is far superior to Doc Daley's last trick, IMO.


Thanks for the advice. Not really familiar with the bottom stud double (or I am and have simply forgotten the name of it), where would be a good place for more info/tutorials?


While holding the break, all of the cards are in dealing position in the left hand. Right hand approaches palm down. Pad of right middle finger is placed on the front right corner of the two bottom cards. Swivel the cards out using the left thumb base as a fulcrum. Once they clear the other two cards, turn them face up momentarily, Then flip them ,as one, face down onto the other two cards. Hope you can follow that.


Hey man, thanks for the tips. I'm getting there with it, just a bit of a perfectionist with these things. So your right fingers are face down at the point they come into contact with the corner of the bottom two cards? And are you using your forefinger and thumb to pinch then swivel the bottom two cards out?

Just to clarify, the King of Clubs has been dealt down at this stage right? Cheers mate.
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