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Aw, c'mon guys. Give tkuiveuxo the benefit of the doubt. He might have a couple friends who say, "I know how he did that." Haven't all of us met folks who do the same? Take a look on YouTube - almost any amazing-looking effect you find on there you will usually also find someone posting that they know exactly how it was done.

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And the Seer offered …

There are those who know not, and know not they do not – enlighten them.

There are those who know not and know they know not – teach them.

There are those who know and who know that they know – honor them.

There are those who know and know not that they know – pity them.

There are those who know not but claim that they know -- fear them.

There are those who know not and do not care to know – grieve for them.

There are those who know and wish to forget – laugh with them.

………………………………………….

A magician pretends to know and the audience pretends they do not know,
and
of this there is astonishment and art,
and the truth of the knowing has no value.
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On 2012-12-19 23:40, J-Mac wrote:
Aw, c'mon guys. Give tkuiveuxo the benefit of the doubt. He might have a couple friends who say, "I know how he did that." Haven't all of us met folks who do the same? Take a look on YouTube - almost any amazing-looking effect you find on there you will usually also find someone posting that they know exactly how it was done.

Jim


Yeah, I'd be inclined to except tuxedo here has but 71 posts, none register except this one on Mickey. . Hmmmmm. Sorta like letting a guilty guy go not because he ain't guilty but because he happens to have a good lawyer. Smile Or maybe it's like the guy that went in the giant Panda cage because he was just so cute and friendly looking. Smile Hey, or maybe it's just Xmas time... So, I'll tellya what J, I won't lend him my credit card but I will lend him yours. Smile
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Awww, I know EXACTLY how he does it.

Many years ago, the government performed highly classified bionic surgery on Mickey.
They installed trap doors in his hands and a labyrinth of secret tunnels throughout his body, including one that goes from one ear to the other. He would carry messages written on coins across enemy lines. Poor Mickey is a mere shell of his former self. He even has a hollow leg. -
You shold see him eat! Smile
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On 2012-12-19 11:59, tkuiveuxo wrote:
I really liked the video, the trick is just awesome...


That is where he should have left it...just sayin'...

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On 2012-12-05 17:43, SmileAndNod wrote:
One day I hope Mickey comes out with a book or DVD.


I used to hope that as well! Now...I'm not so sure. I don't think his style can be "taught". I can just see a bunch of Mickey clones doing that Slot Machine routine. None of them would be like Mickey. They would just look silly.

Mickey's Coin Magic is HIS. His alone. He has given us insight right here in the Café! Myself, after I realized in 2003, he was NEVER going to teach his retention vanish, I got four Ike Dollars and began work myself on it. I got Dr. Rubinstein's Coin Sleight encyclopedia series, and 20th Century Coin Mechanics, and 9 years later, I still cannot do a retention as well as Mickey!

So, I just kept practicing the things I DO know, and learned a few new routines! My retention is better than it ever has been. I use one of the retentions in The Encyclopedia, and it works fine for me. Basically, Mickey inspired me to pick up my coins again! Ain't that what it's all about?

I'm not interested in copying Mickey, or doing his routines. I AM interested in seeing him perform, and reading his interesting and insightful posts here in the Café. Don't expect him to be a "teacher". You already know how to do it. I cannot imagine a DVD Teach-in would even be necessary! There is already tons of stuff already out there. Bobo for a start...in fact, I'd be willing to wager that Mickey learned the retention from Bobo, and worked the rest out himself!

We can do the same! However, we need to focus on OUR routines, off-beats and sleights. The way WE know best! Smile

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Really, MB? Post count is how you judge? I am surprised!

You were there once, too... and I'll bet that not everything you posted was wise. Smile

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On 2012-12-19 11:59, tkuiveuxo wrote:
I really liked the video, the trick is just awesome, so I decided to show it to my non magic friends (they already know the basics after watching me for almost 3 years)
I showed the video for 3 different people, each of them saw the video once, and all of them knew how it was done.
In the second he did the moves (putting coins and showing they are really there) they told me what happened.
Is it just bad luck? or is this routine is really that obvious even to lay people?
the trick was really good, and my friends are certainly closer to lay audience than to magicians


Tkuiveuxo, like Mickey said, please tell us exactly how your friends thought the trick was done. I think it would be an important lesson to hear what they have to say. I've had some smart-alec spectators try to "explain" to me the secret behind my coin vanish: "Oh, you are just using sleight of hand to somehow make the coin go away." But when I ask them to elaborate, they are at a loss for words.

No one is picking on you, it's just that your post seemed odd...it was missing some key info that you'd think should've been mentioned--the "how" and the "why."

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Still waiting Tkuiveuxo... Like Evan says, I think it's easy for spectators to judge coin magic as the coin
is being hidden or in the other hand, to justify them thinking they "know". A video isn't alway the best thing
to judge people by. I watched Jeff McBride gather people together to watch Mickey do his thing. Seeing Mick
live and in person, is a whole different experience.
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I'm going to quote Tommy Wonder here.

"In such a situation, the spectators may or may not fully understand the correct method involved, but they certainly know that something was going on. This, for most people, is enough to conclude they are seeing through the trick, and I agree with them. They do know for certain that some trickery has been practiced, and consequently what has been done is certainly not real magic. They have caught the magician deceiving them, and that is more than enough."

I'm going to make a distinction here, and I hope I do not anger too many people in the process. Mickey's magic is aesthetically pleasing. It looks amazing and I love watching it and immersing myself in the illusion. However, when watching I rarely feel fooled. The reason is this - Mickey's retention vanish, while impossible to detect, is very predictable. Because it is at the forefront of all of his magic, once you recognize it, the illusion of real magic is broken.
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On 2012-12-20 22:56, J-Mac wrote:
Really, MB? Post count is how you judge? I am surprised!

You were there once, too... and I'll bet that not everything you posted was wise. Smile

Jim


Meant to say that not only that Tuxedo had 71 posts (still do after all this...Hmmmmm), but he had no other posts in the last 30 days after joining in 2011. Plus, I don't seem to remember him in this part of town before, do you? Like moving into town and trying to make friends maybe and commenting to your neighbor at a welcoming brunch, how fat other neighbors think his wife is. Now, she might be fat but it's sorta not what one should say just moving in. I'm just sayin'. Smile

Yeah, seems a bit suspicious to me as Mickey himself suggests as to the out of the blue left-handed compliment. "Three magic friends," huh???...Hmmmm, sorta like reporters quoting supposed facts from "Sources say." Smile But to each his own as to what set's off your personal alarms as to things. Me being new once here, has nothing to do with this, at least that's not the point I was making, but you know that well enough. Smile

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Smile and Nod,
You say the illusion of real magic is broken, but you're speaking as a magician (not a layperson) with knowledge of the methods. You just have to see the look on his audience's faces when he performs for them. That's the real litmus test.
Hey it's a god discussion, no one here will get mad at you for expressing your opinion! That's this site exists.
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Seems Tkuiveuxo has left the building. Is this what is known as "trolling"? Just curious...

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Mickey is just in a special class that is unique to him

Thanks for your loyal friendship, Mickey, and have a merry Christmas.
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On 2012-12-20 08:01, Mb217 wrote:...
Yeah, I'd be inclined to except tuxedo here has but 71 posts, none register except ...


There's rumors of special setup members posting for rewards. Beyond the suppliers and their pack of shills hawking the latest - something like a "pay for posts thing".

Just one more reason to skip the fawning sycophant stuff on people and products and stick to what helps folks get items into practical performance.

Getting back to Mickey - great to see him working. I wish folks would learn from how he works and quit fussing over what he's found works for him.
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Getting back to Mickey - great to see him working. I wish folks would learn from how he works and quit fussing over what he's found works for him.


Jonathan, I have to agree with your sentiment here. In Mickey's manual "1 Ounce of Pure Silver" he teaches some gestures and feints for pulling off his handling of the French Drop. In fact, if you perform it exactly as he teaches, you will look Mickey-esque...proof that his gestures are teachable, and that he's willing to teach them, and that they are not some isolated freak thing.
Happy Holidays.
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...And how he works can be so instructive for so many if they focus a bit and just stop to see what he is doing.

He does lots of different kinds of close up actually - very evident if you attend his lecture.

But its true, he is identified with some powerful "signature" sleights and effects that are his own, and he does these like no other (largely his own creations). Being identified with something special and unique as he is, signifies a kind of philosophy toward his work; something tried and tested time and again, and well thought through. His own 'way of doing things." I have to repect that. You attain this only after a high level of effort. Its a mark of excellence for any performer.

He's one of a kind out there. Watch him live if you can.

cp

I'm not shilling for him - I've met him a time or two at a few of his lectures in Watertown and Salem, MA but I can't say he knows me.
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I have to agree with you cp, Mickey has a lot going on in what he does alright. Genius. Smile

It has always amazed me most that he wasn't of larger audience or even recognition by the big boys and the genre in general. Never noticed much comment from them on him, just from everyone else - Go figure! If they did comment at times, it was in & out, and done. Wonder what them cats are really thinking? Smile

No matter how amazing an effect or technique he has shown, there is little review of his work from any of them. It's uncanny to me how they have any of these big shows or private seminars and don't have this guy there??? Truth be told, he's better than most of them as run-of-the-mill coin tricks and routines really can't compare to what Mickey does IMHO. Smile I've seen both (and you guys have too) and there's no comparison. Maybe this is the deeper issue, perhaps this is why they may hold other standards in place as to such an exceptional coin worker, who knows.

I've heard the points here about what has been contributed to the greater craft as to work and effort as to DVDS, books, manuscripts, lectures, etc., but that's not good enough for me in the face of what this man can so clearly do, that no one else does nearly as well. I would much rather hear their views on this man's magic than a lot of the other stuff they tackle here mostly as to what good magic is and or is not, and whose doing it best as recognized by "Them."

In most cases these are very intelligent and accomplished men (they know who they are and so do you all here) who pride themselves as insiders and upper echelon when it comes to coin magic in one way or another (and this might include any groupies that they let hang out with them or they just happen to like for some reason or other - and they know who they are also). Smile They speak a lot when there's something they don't like and can be quite cutting and dismissive at times that I have seen and felt. But they do not speak much of Mickey Silver, only everyone else does. I'm just sayin'... I just can't imagine Leader, Dai Vernon, John Ramsay, or anyone else watching this man do his thing so uniquely and not be in awe, completely amazed and intrigued. Hmmmmmmm.

Happy Holidays and good will towards men. Smile

I just read this topic, and found this post particularly interesting. I personally consider Mickey and his wife Debbie friends of mine, and we had a wonderful time together in Italy. I have commented on this forum on what I thought of Mickey's performance in the past, and Mickey knows how my partners and I feel about him. Mickey has been well aware of our seminars, and had an open invitation to come at any time. But all this is really between Mickey, myself, and my magic friends. It is a bit presumptuous to make comments about this stuff without knowing what goes on behind the scenes. It is unfair to Mickey, and to whichever "Big Boys", "insiders", or "upper echelon" that are being referenced here. I don't think Mickey has an enemy anywhere, he is too nice of a guy. And I don't think he needs people posting about what other pros possibly think or don't think about him. There is a great deal of respect in the magic world for the guys that do the work, and "the guys" all know that.
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Glad you found this interesting Doc, didn't mean to rattle anybody by it. And up until now, no one seemed rattled. Sorry if it seemingly bothered you some. I post my opinion here and hopefully folks respect it as much as I respect other's opinions. It is based upon my perspective which obviously I believe is pretty valid, as valid as anyone else's as to things without being able to read their minds. If Mickey has been invited anywhere, he should've been which was my larger point as to his unique abilities as to coin magic. That you extended an open invitation from you and your guys, well that's a good thing IMHO, and it's good to now be included somewhat as to your personal circle regarding more collective feelings as to Mick. Smile I consider Mickey a friend as well and that's why I spoke of him here in such positive ways in just calling it as I see it, balls and strikes. And sometimes "those guys" you mention aren't always happy about that. Seemingly they are always somewhat misinterpreted as to this & that, and that can fool you sometimes much like a sneaky curve ball. Smile

Anyway, Happy Holidays to you Doc, and thanks for your thoughts. Smile
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After spending over 5 years researching and writing up the amazing life of Michael Sweeney (AKA Mickey Silver) - for film and book projects - I can say with conviction that 2013 Will be the year that the world finds out HOW and WHY Sweeney developed his MOVE. Prepare to have your minds blown!
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Okay, now you have my attention. Can you let us in on what we have in store?
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