On 2012-12-06 23:06, Al Angello wrote:
When we no longer smuggle pot into our country the DEA will have lots of agents standing around with their hands in their pockets.

On 2012-12-06 23:28, randirain wrote:
Umm... I don't know all, or exact, information on who was coming down on the California dispensaries....

But... There were some TV shows awhile back on the whole thing, and according to them it wasn't necessarily Obama or the DEA, it was the IRS closing them down.
But then again, that was a TV show... and a reality TV show.
You can't trust any of those any more.

Randi

On 2012-12-07 06:38, irossall wrote:
The real facts are:

1. People will always smoke pot as long as it is available.

2. No matter what penalty is put upon the user's of pot, people will still smoke pot (death penalty would probably be the exception).

3. The law of supply and demand will always be with us. So the question is, who should make the profit from sales? The Government or the "Black Market"?

4. If pot is so bad a drug (worse than tobbaco or alcohol) does jail cure the problem? or is it better to treat it as a medical problem and render medical help instead of incarceration.

5. The "War on Drugs" has not and is not working!!! Maybe it is time to try something else. What do we have to lose that we are not already losing?
Iven

On 2012-12-07 06:38, irossall wrote:
The real facts are:

1. People will always smoke pot as long as it is available.

2. No matter what penalty is put upon the user's of pot, people will still smoke pot (death penalty would probably be the exception).

3. The law of supply and demand will always be with us. So the question is, who should make the profit from sales? The Government or the "Black Market"?

4. If pot is so bad a drug (worse than tobbaco or alcohol) does jail cure the problem? or is it better to treat it as a medical problem and render medical help instead of incarceration.

5. The "War on Drugs" has not and is not working!!! Maybe it is time to try something else. What do we have to lose that we are not already losing?
Iven

On 2012-12-07 10:10, Dreadnought wrote:

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On 2012-12-07 06:38, irossall wrote:
The real facts are:

1. People will always smoke pot as long as it is available.

2. No matter what penalty is put upon the user's of pot, people will still smoke pot (death penalty would probably be the exception).

3. The law of supply and demand will always be with us. So the question is, who should make the profit from sales? The Government or the "Black Market"?

4. If pot is so bad a drug (worse than tobbaco or alcohol) does jail cure the problem? or is it better to treat it as a medical problem and render medical help instead of incarceration.

5. The "War on Drugs" has not and is not working!!! Maybe it is time to try something else. What do we have to lose that we are not already losing?
Iven

The black market makes money off of cocaine in its various forms as well crank and heroin. So, should we just legalize them as well? Why stop at narcotics? Why not completely legalize prostitution? I mean after all every body likes to get a lil bit, so why stop at prostitution, why not just legalize rape? Afterall, everybody has sex? Why just let the blackmarket make a profit off of the sex trade, we'll just tax it. Why not just take the 2nd amendment to its full potential and allow everyone to own anything that can be fired from the shoulder? Why should the balck market arms dealers make a profit off of stinger missile systems? Let's allow anyone at a gun show to sell them and just tax them. Why should only contract killers make money off of murder for hire? Let's legalize it and tax them.

But, in all honesty, I do see your point. Legalize drugs, or at least marijuana, and the murder rate, burglary rate, assault, and theft rate will magically drop. WOW all it took was a few magicians sitting in front of their computers, typing and toking away, to figure out and solve all the world's problems.

Peace and Godspeed.

On 2012-12-07 10:10, Dreadnought wrote:

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On 2012-12-07 06:38, irossall wrote:
The real facts are:

1. People will always smoke pot as long as it is available.

2. No matter what penalty is put upon the user's of pot, people will still smoke pot (death penalty would probably be the exception).

3. The law of supply and demand will always be with us. So the question is, who should make the profit from sales? The Government or the "Black Market"?

4. If pot is so bad a drug (worse than tobbaco or alcohol) does jail cure the problem? or is it better to treat it as a medical problem and render medical help instead of incarceration.

5. The "War on Drugs" has not and is not working!!! Maybe it is time to try something else. What do we have to lose that we are not already losing?
Iven

The black market makes money off of cocaine in its various forms as well crank and heroin. So, should we just legalize them as well? Why stop at narcotics? Why not completely legalize prostitution? I mean after all every body likes to get a lil bit, so why stop at prostitution, why not just legalize rape? Afterall, everybody has sex? Why just let the blackmarket make a profit off of the sex trade, we'll just tax it. Why not just take the 2nd amendment to its full potential and allow everyone to own anything that can be fired from the shoulder? Why should the balck market arms dealers make a profit off of stinger missile systems? Let's allow anyone at a gun show to sell them and just tax them. Why should only contract killers make money off of murder for hire? Let's legalize it and tax them.

But, in all honesty, I do see your point. Legalize drugs, or at least marijuana, and the murder rate, burglary rate, assault, and theft rate will magically drop. WOW all it took was a few magicians sitting in front of their computers, typing and toking away, to figure out and solve all the world's problems.

Peace and Godspeed.

On 2012-12-07 12:24, Dreadnought wrote:
If we are going to legalize one vice, and murder, for some is a vice or a way of life, then we should just legalize it and collect the tax from it, it's not that big of a leap, people are going to do it anyway. And again, if we legalize pot then let's legalize all drugs. Might as people are going to do them anyway. Then that way we don't have to worry about lawyers.

Peace and Godspeed.

On 2012-12-07 12:27, irossall wrote:

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On 2012-12-07 10:10, Dreadnought wrote:

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On 2012-12-07 06:38, irossall wrote:
The real facts are:

1. People will always smoke pot as long as it is available.

2. No matter what penalty is put upon the user's of pot, people will still smoke pot (death penalty would probably be the exception).

3. The law of supply and demand will always be with us. So the question is, who should make the profit from sales? The Government or the "Black Market"?

4. If pot is so bad a drug (worse than tobbaco or alcohol) does jail cure the problem? or is it better to treat it as a medical problem and render medical help instead of incarceration.

5. The "War on Drugs" has not and is not working!!! Maybe it is time to try something else. What do we have to lose that we are not already losing?
Iven

The black market makes money off of cocaine in its various forms as well crank and heroin. So, should we just legalize them as well? Why stop at narcotics? Why not completely legalize prostitution? I mean after all every body likes to get a lil bit, so why stop at prostitution, why not just legalize rape? Afterall, everybody has sex? Why just let the blackmarket make a profit off of the sex trade, we'll just tax it. Why not just take the 2nd amendment to its full potential and allow everyone to own anything that can be fired from the shoulder? Why should the balck market arms dealers make a profit off of stinger missile systems? Let's allow anyone at a gun show to sell them and just tax them. Why should only contract killers make money off of murder for hire? Let's legalize it and tax them.

But, in all honesty, I do see your point. Legalize drugs, or at least marijuana, and the murder rate, burglary rate, assault, and theft rate will magically drop. WOW all it took was a few magicians sitting in front of their computers, typing and toking away, to figure out and solve all the world's problems.

Peace and Godspeed.

Legalize Marijuana since it is no more dangerous than the now legal drugs (alcohol & tobbaco) and decriminalize ALL drugs and treat it as a medical problem AND take the profit out of the black market.

Prostitution should be legal and taxed and regular medical exams for all prostitutes. Making it safer and take the profit away from the black market.

Rape is a violent crime against individuals (deprives them of their freedoms) and should be illegal and heavy penalty.

Guns, Yes but not fully automatic weapons and heavy equipment ie: flamethrower's, grenade launcher's etc... Guns for hunting game and target practice and self protection.

Your argument is very radical and silly. Apples & Oranges.
Iven

On 2012-12-07 10:26, Dreadnought wrote:

All the DEA agents I knew were involved with outlaw biker gangs, who control the meth trade, or looking into the cartels, not some snot nosed, 18 year old punk or washed up 60 year old hippie reliving the good old days.

Put the happy weed down and breath the fresh air.

Peace and Godspeed