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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks
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I want to follow my dreams. I want to become a professional magician. Someday I want to compete forr FISM. I know this sounds ridiculous and you probably think that won't happen. But ever since I've met ponta the Smith. My goal was always to follow my dreams, but I haven't done it. Instead of wanting to live up to others expectations, everyone around me telling my dreams were unrealistic. I'm tired of hearing this. Harris on the magic Café here, said to me he believes that would compete for FISM one day. He was the only person that told me I could really make my dreams come true. But that is not my only goal. My goal is to do what I love magic... I was riding the bus the other day, there I met in aspiring magician. I told him ponta and that he was one of the best, smoothest coin magicians in the world. He lookEd at me and laughed, telling me he does many musicians, and that there's no way I could have a magician likes ponta as my mentor, "yeah right", he said. I am and was very fortunate to be his student, work with him, and he's my best friend, my only friend, a truly compassionate person. So I am tired of going through life

mindlessly. . I want to study psychology, philosophy, theatre and acting, and most of all sociology. But I do not want to become a dietician, I want to do magic as a professional magician. It is highly competitive and it will be a hard journey, but I want to follow my dreams. I remember showing a spectator a magic trick today, I saw the joy in his face, he said my coin magic trick was amazing, especially pontas winged silver, which I've now mastered, along with his vanish, 3 fly, t tenkai pennies, and Lassen godons trick A.V.A.. Magic is truly what Ilove, truly myssion and calling in life, nothing makes me feel more alive than magic brightening up peoples faces and making my day happy day. Should I follow that dream or leave these on unrealistic goals ? By the way the inspiration for this after much turmoil, came from a book code Tuesdays with Morrie. Thank you guys so much, I I trust you guys. I just feel confused what I want to do with my life and what others want me to do with my life.
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That's great!

Let me hopefully help you focus in on your dream...

What is the thing you love most about performing magic? Is it the satisfaction from seeing others being amazed and entertained?

Or is it the feeling of having talent that the audience doesn't have or in a way having control over an audience? The attention you can recieve is addictive and distracting.

If your dream is to be a professional magician, I would simply focus on working in small steps. Build up a few short routines and dive into some restaurant work. That will further polish all of the stuff you are good at already, plus you'll be out from behind the camera. I know a lot of guys that make close to 6 figures just doing restaurant work and private parties; not even doing corporate events or stage work. You could definitely call that professional.

But what is it about wanting to compete for FISM? The notoriety? The exposure? An ego boost?
It would certainly be an honor to win, but that alone doesn't mean you're professional.

It seems to me that you enjoy being close up with people and seeing them enjoy what you enjoy. I would start small and go from there. If FISM is part of that dream, then you can always make it your goal. But, getting out and just performing is something you can do right now. You will enjoy it right now and it will help you get to FISM.

Good luck
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Jamie D. Grant's new Magic Friday has a good talk on performing and what beginners should do. I'm not calling your magic beginner but your business practices. There is also an article he wrote that follows it.

Challenges you'll face::

1. Develop a set or 3 effects
2. Find an audience (anyone)
3. Perform more
4. Refine
5. Get a steady flow of income (restaurants are good for that AND developing who you are as a performer)
6. Not getting discouraged when there is a road block
7. Find a way around the road block
8. Keep moving up
9. Stay positive

I'm sure there more but that's what you'll face. If you are driven you can do it. Your chops are there man. You are bright and VERY talented, you know that!

Like they saying goes man... If you think you can or cannot, either way you are right.

Stay positive.
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It sounds to me like you already are following your dream. You are sharing your magic with people. That's not to say that a goal of sharing it with more people is a bad thing. I think that is a wonderful dream. Enjoy the journey or your dream is for not.

Thanks for the inspiration.
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Are you studying at college/university right now?

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I agree with Eric Caldwell, you are already following your dream.

Looks to me like you are saying that being a professional magician and winning FISM are two different goals, which is awesome. Lots of people win FISM, why not you?

I feel that knowing what you want is half the battle, now you just got to make it happen.

Best of luck with all of your goals.
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On 2012-12-12 03:51, iwillfoolu wrote:
Are you studying at college/university right now?

Joey D
yes, I took rhetoric earlier this year in English, I've taught myself Japanese self taught for one to two years now. In taking Japanese and mathematics next month in a community college. My goal, ago above all, isto bio become. Fluent in Japanese, I have already worked fo French drop, ponta the smiths company in Japan
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Being a professional magician I don't think is an unrealistic goal at all. in fact, if you're descent at magic, hard working and personable, I think it could be a pretty good job to have. have a go at it... try it for a few months or a few years... if it doesn't work out, you and always go and get a normal job.

you might want to consider trying to get a job on a cruse ship or a resort or something like that. maybe learn how to be a bartender too or something. these types of places would probably give you free room and board and pay you a wage... then all you have to do is go around showing magic tricks to tourists and maybe serve a few drinks. you can pick whatever country you want to go to... find a place on a beach... big hotel at a ski resort... anything like that. you'll just live with the staff, but instead of washing dishes and waiting tables, you just do magic for people. you could probably get paid a lot more than other staff too because of your special skill.
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Good idea on the bartending thing. Theres a casino school in Tempe just across from ASU. may be worth checking out! Even if you start tending bar as your "day job," you could use it to garner tips and as a stepping stone for greater things.
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I Checked out the casino school, looks like its gotten fantastic reviews! Its under $300, as soon as I can secure a job to make some extra income (I've been out of work for awhile), I'll try doing that. My parents are definnitely going to fight me against it, as well as the staff I live. I basically live in mental health goverment housing, and I'm not sure they'd let me be a bartender. I can't drink alchohal with my medications, and I've never had a drinking problem . I do know Aikido, so I could defend myself if something came up possibly. But just that may not work or be practical for me, great idea though. I've gave out a couple business cards to people I met, no one seems to want to call me though. Guess I'm just not good enough..
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Have you considered cross posting this in "tricky business?" its the threads for professionals - you could always ask people whove gone before you...
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Hi Kevin! Smile

I'm confused. First you say:
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On 2012-12-11 19:43, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
I want to follow my dreams. I want to become a professional magician. Someday I want to compete for FISM....

...which is great! Positive attitude, goals set, and I'm all ready to cheer you on...and then:
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On 2012-12-12 15:58, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
...I've gave out a couple business cards to people I met, no one seems to want to call me though. Guess I'm just not good enough..


Not good enough? You've given out "a couple business cards", and you're now "not good enough" because no one has called you?? My friend, you need to give out MUCH more than a couple business cards! Ya gotta knock down doors, assert yourself, show 'em YOU are the only one! Ya gotta sell yourself! If you go in with your head hanging, and lack confidence, it'll show, and you won't get the gig.

Start small, and work your way up! You've already got what it takes. Connecting with the right people is key. Projecting a positive attitude, and level-headed confidence is what I think you need to work on...

Just my $.02 Smile

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Desire + motivation + action plan + mentors + action + feedback + altered action + Desire ++++++

= goals.

Small goals help us reach larger ones.

Many people want to learn to play guitar. Many start by learning the notes to the start of Smoke on the Water. I did back in the 70's.
Most have desire, but don't want to put in the work to move on. Learning moves and routines are but a beginning.

Put a good foundation under your (mine) sand castles in the sky dreams.

Back when I started out I tried a few risky things.
Showing up at theatre party (Little Theatre in Reno NV. as a mime who didn't speak but did close up magic.
Showing up in Green Face(as opposed to White Face) at a Zuchinni Festival in Tahoe.

Results started work with the business association for hotels in Reno, and got photo in newspaper. Also did choreography for the Red Shoes main character. Did all the other things I did get immediate results? No, but I did them anyway.

Keep growing and glowing. Every no, is a step closer to a yes.

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I think most importantly what you need to do kevin.
is get a job get on your feet.and get stable with yor life.
be self sufficient and on your own.able to take care of yourself.
then pursue what you want in life.try to quit worrying about what
everyone thinks and more on what you know works.
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On 2012-12-21 12:55, bowers wrote:
I think most importantly what you need to do kevin.
is get a job get on your feet.and get stable with yor life.
be self sufficient and on your own.able to take care of yourself.
then pursue what you want in life.try to quit worrying about what
everyone thinks and more on what you know works.
todd


My opinion exactly - get yourself and your issues straightened out first - then go from "hobbyist to Pro" you are very good at all the coin magic I have seen you do - but what would happen if you did a pro gig and screwed up due to nerves in the middle of it? How would you react? would you be able to pass it off and continue on with the show? You are very critical of yourself even though you are very talented so I don't know how you would react when it happens (and it does).

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On 2012-12-20 15:53, Dougini wrote:
Hi Kevin! Smile

I'm confused. First you say:
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On 2012-12-11 19:43, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
I want to follow my dreams. I want to become a professional magician. Someday I want to compete for FISM....

...which is great! Positive attitude, goals set, and I'm all ready to cheer you on...and then:
Quote:
On 2012-12-12 15:58, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
...I've gave out a couple business cards to people I met, no one seems to want to call me though. Guess I'm just not good enough..


Not good enough? You've given out "a couple business cards", and you're now "not good enough" because no one has called you?? My friend, you need to give out MUCH more than a couple business cards! Ya gotta knock down doors, assert yourself, show 'em YOU are the only one! Ya gotta sell yourself! If you go in with your head hanging, and lack confidence, it'll show, and you won't get the gig.

Start small, and work your way up! You've already got what it takes. Connecting with the right people is key. Projecting a positive attitude, and level-headed confidence is what I think you need to work on...

Just my $.02 Smile

Doug


yes - you must pass out a bagillion cards and wait for the calls. just because they don't call now doesn't mean they never will. you give a card out today and they may not call you until next August for their sons birthday party. "If you build it - They will come"
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FISM is a difficult cometition to comete in. First of all, you need to go to Europe, you have to be sponsored, it is very political, and you need to win by doing three dimensional magic (ie - Gertner's ring on the hour glass routine). Gone are the days when you can do a matrix in cometition and have any chance, as Paviato did in the early 80's. Strive to develop a good solid routine, and hone it through many, many performances. If you want to see how you fare, enter local competitions, understanding that the judges are very subjective, and often not nearly as good as you. Work toward smoothing out the rough edges, and work toward a competition in say, SAM or IBM national conventions. That will give you a better idea of how you stand with winning a competition. And remember, competitions are for ego, and do not reflect on your ability. People use them for self gratification, or to make a name for themselves. Other than that, they serve no purpose except to be enteertasining for the attendees, and hopefully fun for the performer.
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Becoming a pro is a very realistic goal but be careful what you wish for. Being a pro seems like an awesome fun job and in many ways it is. But the reality is that performing is a very small part of the job. My experience as a working pro was that you are 60% salesman, 30% performer and 10% debt collector. The public see the show but behind that there is a lot of graft. The reality is that your success is dependant on your ability to sell yourself and your act rather than your ability to perform. You could be the greatest magician on the planet but it will do you little good if you can't sell yourself.

It's not about how many cards you give out, it's about who you give them out to. One card to the right person is worth a thousand to the wrong people. The first challenge is to find out who are the right people and then the next is to work out how to get them to notice you. The final challenge is to make it happen. Be under no illusions though being a pro performer is not all glamour, it's a lot of graft and the path to success can be a long hard slog. It can also be a lonely job, lots of time on the road staying in some real dives (or was that just me?)

The transition from hobbyist to pro can be a tough one, tricks you enjoy performing may not be so practical in a working set. Personally for pleasure I would do finger flinging magic for magicians. I used to love showing off my 4 coin only international reverse matrix and my sleeving work and other "clever" stuff. But my working act consisted of very simple material where I could focus on presentation. For close up work it comes down to pocket space, practicality (is that a word?) and reset time. Back in those days I was respected as a coin worker by my peers but rather than using any of the fancy coin work in my pro set I'd do coins across with Han pin cheins, no gallo pitches, goshman pinches or any of the other techniques that the 20 or so other versions of coins across I could do. When doing a routine 30 times a night the simplest version is often preferable and to a layman coins across is coins across.

One word of warning. For me doing magic for a living became a job. By that I mean that I stopped enjoying doing magic for fun. When I stopped doing magic for a living and got a real job (marriage and kids and a mortgage meant I wanted a stable job at home with security) I completely lost interest in magic for many years. Sure I'd still do the occasional paid gig but I no longer kept up magic as a hobby and it took many years for the bug to bite again.

I'm not trying to scare you off, it's a great career and it can be a lot of fun but go into it with your eyes wide open. Being a pro is as much a business as a performance art and to make it work you need to manage the business as well as (if not better than) you manage the art.

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Well said Mark. I know many pros that are forced to produce product to sell, which dilutes the quality of their work. I know pros that have too much down time with no work. And I know a lot more guys, that have a "real job", do magic on the side, and continue to enjoy what they do. they don't need to rely on their magical ability alone to put food on the table. They can put out product when they want, not because of need, and thus give a better product. And, they can continue to have FUN.
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Thank you Michael and Mark. I'm going to college now to become a sociology professor. This means more to me than a. Dietician. I want to help people, enlighten people about inequality, moral ethics, and social norms and formal and informal deviances in this world.
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It was a college class on either Sociology or Abnormal Psych, that led me from a career in math to counseling fields.

Both interest appear in my routines.

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