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Bazinga Loyal user 277 Posts |
I agree with David. Although I think many in their early days resort to such humor to get the "guaranteed" laugh; it's easy to see when most grow out of it. Here's one that makes me cringe:
Magi: What's your name? Kid: John. Magi: John? Hey, we have a room in our house named after you! It's hard to believe that some of today's top name children's performers actually used that, and even included in their published books and tapes. And while I admit to laughing at Archie Bunker's toilet gag once or twice, it became old very quickly. It seemed like they used it in almost every episode after a while. Has anyone ever seen Jim Kleefeld's show? He has the perfect way (in my opinion) of treating kid volunteers. He asks their name, repeats it as he introduces himself, and he shakes their hand as he would an adult's. Not exactly gut-busting funny but it shows respect and makes the kid feel good about being there. In the joke category, I don't go low. In quality of show, I hope my low line was my first show - in 1969 (when I was 11) - and has been climbing since then. Rather than list gags I would do, here's a brief list of ones I won't: Making fun of a kid's name, age, hair color, clothing, etc. Fart, or any bodily function. Yo' mama. Your town is so (small, backwoods, etc.) - I might turn that one around onto my town though. Basically anything that has an insulting nature to it. It just isn't funny to me. I once saw a magician performing at a "Make-A-Wish" fundraiser. He had a "bubble gum stretching contest" between himself and 10 kids. He gave them each bubble gum and he had a bubble gum mouth coil. He made fun of each of the kids for breaking their stretch, getting gum on their face, etc. had proclaimed himself the winner. As I was leaving the school's auditorium I heard the principal say how disgusted he was with that guy's show. (There were other reasons too but they noted that bit.) Without commenting on it, I introduced myself and for the next three years (so far) I got the gig. Rather than taking my cues from South Park and Family Guy, I get ideas from The Three Stooges, Big Bang Theory (obviously), Abbott and Costello, The Bullwinkle Show, Bill Cosby, and even Mister Rogers. To quote the package of Horse Sh!t Cigarettes: "Not a fart in a carload." Bazinga! |
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Odd you should mention Big Bang Theory, Bazinga.
I loved Big Bang when it first came on (I am a nerd without the intellect) but lately sooo much of the humor is in an area that I don't enjoy. I still watch the show but I'm kind of sad at the direction it has gone. Those parts of the show are a good example of entertainment that I'll go along with watching but I don't feel so good about myself for watching. I really like entertainment that brings out the parts I like best about myself. It is more satisfying in the long run and I'm a nicer person to live with when I like myself. I wonder if Kids are the same way? I treat them as if they are. I really think some people think the conversation is Fart jokes VS an un-funny, boring show. That is not the case. -Mary Mowder |
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pbj100 Special user 516 Posts |
Hi, personaly I believe that you can have a great show with or without fart gags . I still however think that to include a fart gag is not enough to deem some one talentlesd or taking a low path Phil
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Bazinga Loyal user 277 Posts |
Hi Mary,
You bring up a good point about BBT. I watch mostly older seasons before they took that turn. It makes a certain amount of sense since the production company is the same as 1 1/2 Men. I saved the older BBT on tape and no longer have TV reception so I've seen a few online. But like 2 1/2, they started resorting way too much on a single joke premise. I don't mind a "blue" joke once in a while but for me it becomes real boring real fast. I like BBT much better when the story line stays closer to their jobs and general inability to interact with society. Bazinga! |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
Fartless Challenge!
Who would you say is the “Gold Standard” for clean comedy? Can ANYONE come up with ANY well-known national comedian to fit the "Gold Standard" of those that hold the "fartless" position??????? I think not. Mr. Rodgers? LMAO Mr. Rogers is NOT a comedian - by a long shot. Not for kids, and certainly not for adults. People loved him, but he was in no way funny. |
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Jerry Seinfeld?
Paula Poundstone? Not many comedians doing their Stand-Up at a Kid's Birthday Party though. -Mary Mowder |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
Bill Cosby
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Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
KC,
I think Jerry Seinfeld is a perfect example. If you think about it, he had one of the most successful comedy shows in TV history. Gerry |
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Bazinga Loyal user 277 Posts |
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On 2013-01-06 04:46, KC Cameron wrote: Kind of my point. Coupled with the other five I gave as examples, that's good enough for me. I don't why it bothers you so much that some of us don't do fart jokes. The OP asked for opinions and we all gave ours, on both sides of the issue. Isn't that enough? If you want, I can ask potential customers if they want someone who gets up and farts in front of their children and if they say yes I'll refer them to you. I think it's wonderful that we all do our shows differently from each other. It makes each of us special and gives our customers a great variety to choose from. Wouldn't it be dull if all did the same thing? Bazinga! |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
A birthday mom would never hire a magician and then compare them to a comedian because they were clowning.
Would they? Comedians are for adults. Clowns are for kids. Trixs are for rabbits. Even clowns have lines they won't cross. Study the better ones and it's clear, certain things you just don't do. Tom
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
Anyway here is the results of the Fart Challenge!
Seinfield - BEEF-A-REANO #1 http://youtu.be/ugazcvzOM0Q -Ooops Seinfield - BEEF-A-REANO #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lroZLN1gQnw - Ouch Seinfield - B.O. http://youtu.be/-pEhqiCD27E -Well it isn't a fart . . Seinfield - Belch http://youtu.be/i_qFgbE_fqA -Came out the wrong end . . . Seinfield - Cleavage http://youtu.be/dbsmbCWUNEE Paula Poundstone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQz8UDAwK10 -Woops! Bill Cosby http://youtu.be/vM4auwmeol4 -Oh NO! Not Bill Cosby too! Three Stooges http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpy57EOloQ -Wow, have you ever watched the Three Stooges???? Big Bang http://youtu.be/P65kjiATtUs -Another Epic wrong . . . A bunch more too, but who cares? The winner is . . . Mr. Rogers and Abbot and Castello! We go all the way back to the 1940's with Abbot and Costello, two comics who got their start doing burlesque shows . . . OH NO! Not BURLESQUE!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbot_and_Costello That means, as I predicted, Mr. Rodgers is the "comedic" star of the "non-fart" group . . . Wow! Does that say something about people that hold the "non-fart" position or what! ~~~~~ Quote:
don't why it bothers you so much that some of us don't do fart jokes. The OP asked for opinions and we all gave ours, on both sides of the issue. Isn't that enough? First, let’s be perfectly clear. The OP asked for opinion, but the “anti-fart league” pronounced judgments. BIG difference, as everyone here knows. Let's not sweep these comments under the bed. I don't care, and I doubt anyone else does if you, or anyone else does a fart joke. Nobody ever even implied that. This discussion has become whether a fart joke makes you talentless, as Dick says, or immoral as others imply. Or, as you may, can a fart joke be funny. Anyway, Mary you have put more of a qualifier on it - a kids BD party. I suggest you watch some cartoons or read some very popular kids books ... Tom, I see you are shying away from your original position. Whether clowns are for kids is a whole different discussion! Anyway, I suggest you read what MOMS say in the reviews of the two acclaimed series "Walter the Farting Dog" and the "Captain Underpants". |
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
What I am against is the self-righteous rants of Dick, and to a lessor extent others who not only disagree with those that don’t have an issue with an occasional fart joke, but also infer (or in Dick case, no inference, straight to the jugular) a lack of talent of any one who disagrees with his views. Dick also classifies a fart joke as vulgar - emotionally tying a fart joke to some rather nasty things. That is about as low as you can get in a forum. Others have stooped low too, but not as low as calling a fart joke vulgar. Others call it “Blue”. This mis-labeling is an INCREDIBLE disservice to the discussion. “Blue comedy” is risqué or profane, and is heavily identified with sex. Unless some of you are into something pretty kinky, a fart joke is NOT “blue”. Let’s get real!
Mary, Perhaps you should re-read my post. I never said Dick was not a pro (as in he does or did magic professionally). Nor do I wish to “Shut down hearing his honest opinion”. His opinion in this thread ISN’T honest, it is manipulative and a lie. I say nothing against his act, just his person. At one time he may have been a nice guy. If so, that time is gone. If he wants to actually give an honest answer instead of playing politics, I'm fine with it. Mary, what would you think if I called you a talentless hack because you are such a prude? I have never seen your act, or a video of it. That would be pretty low, wouldn't it? (Now I don’t think such, nor am I calling you a prude, but I am using this as an example.) This is what Dick has done, repeatedly. Mary, as for Dick being trivial, I was not speaking about his person, or his act (performance) but how he descended to below a snakes belly in this thread over something as trivial as a “fart joke”. Mary, Dick may well be against a fart joke, and that is fine. To each his own. Calling those that disagree with him talentless, and a fart joke vulgar, well that isn’t true, and I’m sure he knows it, and I’m sure you know it. So why would he do it? The same reason a politician raises a ruckus over something. It gives him power and status, and often to hide inadequacies. I believe he opened for Silly Billy because he knew he would not be as well received as Silly Billy. I think that says it all. Mary, as for Dick being PC, of course he is not PC. He uses PC as a weapon, like a crooked politician. Quote: I am sorry Mary, I really am, but that is YOUR lack of ability, not others inability. I mean that in the nicest way. Do you really think Silly Billy, Zuke, Potty, George, Harris, Frank, Alan, Chris, Stephen and many others don’t have great shows?????????? Is this what you are really saying????????????????
Personally I would find it hard seem very Magical or invoke wonder while doing such material. Mary, as for you, or anyone else, not liking a fart joke, that is fine. You have been relatively respectful, one of the few that hold your view. Most have stooped rather low to look pure - especially Dick. Gerry, I am taking great pains to answerer your post in a somewhat civilized manner. Perhaps you should learn to actually read a post before you rush off to insult another over your own imagination or lack there of . .. Your post speaks volumes about you as a person. I questioned if this “Dick” is the genuine article or a troll, not if there was a Dick, or whom the real Dick may be. It is actually you who are playing the fool. Worse, you are making issues over something that doesn’t exist, which is nearly as bad as “Dick’s” behavior. I assume, unlike “Dick” you actually believed your imagination. You know Gerry, your comments, your rush to judgement, your insults really say a lot about you. If they were true, they would be that of an social climber, stepping on others to get higher. Since anyone that can read can tell they are not true, they still show the social climber stepping on others, but one who does it particularly underhandedly, by spreading lies at worst, someone who it too busy admiring himself to actually know what he is talking about at best. I imagine it is somewhere in the middle. Tom, Personally, I am a bit surprised at both you and Spellbinder. Not that either of you wouldn’t do a fart joke (that is obvious), but your attitude towards those with whom you are disagreeing. As for not showing Dick respect, perhaps you should take another gander at what he calls other entertainers that don’t agree with him. HE is the one that shows total disrespect with anyone who is not in lock-step with him. EVERYTHING else has been a response to him, and to a lessor degree, you and Spellbinder and a few other posters. While I find Spellbinder’s and your comments a bit disgraceful, I do respect both of you. You have both shown great knowledge and integrity in this forum, which is why I find both of your comments so startling. Dick and his "fiancé", Rainboguy, that is a different matter. Kameron, why do you say “how low will you go?” That is assuming That assumes a fart joke is “low”. It is not. It also assumes a scale where some types of humor are "higher" and some types are of lesser quality. This is a fiction proposed by those that want to look superior. The whole idea of a fart being somehow embarrassing is strictly cultural. What is low is how some of the “Fartless crowd” are treating those open to a fart joke. It is low, and Dick has gone about as low as one can go. He has become truly vulgar. David, you talk about “class”. You talk about “lowbrow”. All "class" is about impressing others and varies wildly throughout history and culture. In other words, it does not exist except as a figment of imagination. Typically "class" it is used to suppress a group of people - deemed "classless" or maybe "lowbrow". Not really a nice idea. We are talking about a fart joke and you equate it with 90 minutes of crotch grabbing. I suggest you get a perspective. I would not be interested in crotch grabbing for 90 minutes either, (or 5 minutes for that matter) but we are talking about a fart joke . . . you are out of your mind to compare the two. *L* I really hope you can distinguish the difference and this was a brain fart . . . Anyway, the ones that have been “low” in this thread have been the “fartless crowd”. Bazinga, you list “gags” you wouldn’t do. “Basically anything that has an insulting nature to it. It just isn't funny to me.” I think all of my list of entertainers (Silly Billy, Zuke, Potty, George, Harris, Frank, Alan, Chris, Stephen and many others) would agree with this statement, with the modifier that that the insulting nature is not toward the children. I also imagine they would find it curious that you would place a fart joke in this category. While ANYTHING can be made to be insulting, how does a fart joke fit in this category? The others are “making fun of a kids . . .”, making fun of a specific area a kid resides. Do you think that we think it is a good idea to make fun of a kid’s body functions???? You really think this????? On the other hand, MOST humor is insulting (on the surface anyway) to someone. The Three Stooges you admire are constantly insulting each other. I really don’t think you have thought this through. Bazinga, fail to see any bearing on the guy who insults kids while wanting to be the star, with a fart joke. That is a real, real, real long reach. Cross-continental type of long reach. Much, much, much more interesting that you end your post against fart jokes . . . with a fart & Sh!t joke . . . ???????? WTF??? . . . Is this whole post tongue-in-cheek? Mary, wow. wow. Quote: I really hope I am mis-understanding this, but are you implying a fart joke will make people less nice and less satisfied in life???? Really???? Wow.
I really like entertainment that brings out the parts I like best about myself. It is more satisfying in the long run and I'm a nicer person to live with when I like myself. Quote:
I really think some people think the conversation is Fart jokes VS an un-funny, boring show. That is not the case. OMG -- NO, NO, NO. NOBODY is implying that you need to have a fart joke to have a funny show . . . Not in the slightest. I did say, and I still stand by it, that the people that are OPEN to a fart jokes have far funnier shows than those that don’t. Lets's compare. Spellbinder, Tom, & Bowers with Silly Billy, Zuke, Potty, George, Harris, Frank, Alan, Chris, Stephen or any other on the open to a fart joke side. Do they appear even close to being as funny? No, this is not a value judgement. They are talented, and no doubt fun, they just they do not present themselves as being particularly funny. Even a comparison of their avatars will tell you about their humor. Nor am I implying a show that isn’t real funny is more boring or worth less than one that is funny. There are great shows that are not funny at all, and there are plenty of funny shows that do not have a fart joke. There are also talentless hacks who use a fart joke, and talentless hacks that would never use a fart joke. Unlike the other side, those open to fart jokes are not casting such disparaging remarks with a wide brush. Bazinga, Quote:
I don't mind a "blue" joke once in a while but for me it becomes real boring real fast. Please don’t call a fart joke “blue humor” it is not in and of itself “blue”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_humor#Blue_comedy Blue comedy is comedy that is off-color, risqué, indecent or profane, largely about sex. It often contains profanity and/or sexual imagery that may shock and offend some audience members. The first popular comedian to work blue was Lenny Bruce.[citation needed] "Working blue" refers to the act of using curse words and discussing things that people do not discuss in polite society. A "blue comedian" or "blue comic" is a comedian who usually performs risqué routines layered with curse words. Topical musicians may use blue comedy both in their commentary between songs and in the lyrics to their songs. Bazinga, ALSO, nobody is saying a whole act, or even a whole routine should be fart jokes. We are talking about a fart joke. Abuse of anything is tasteless. On the other hand, the “Fartless” seem to fail to comprehend the value of one fart joke. This is their shortcoming, and their loss. It is also their choice, and nobody thinks it should be taken away from them. On the other hand, they have shown plenty of disdain for those that disagree with them, which is especially interesting since most of the magicians I personally believe to be the most skilled at entertaining disagree with them. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
KC, how can you be so passionate about your opinion and say that Dick shouldn't be?
It's not like he or anyone here is demanding a fart free world. Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
I just thought it was interesting question. In your opinion, fart crowd vs anti-farts, what is your line? I'm still wondering where I am, so I wondered where the people who didn't do fart jokes stopped in their comedy, and where the fart crowd drew the line. Especially with kids shows.
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Bazinga Loyal user 277 Posts |
Wow! So much energy to defend a fart. I guess we've been shown where the bear craps in the buckwheat.
I am so apologetically sorry KC for offending your sensibilities and expertise. I will never doubt you again when it comes to farting on stage at one's audience. I sincerely hope you accept my apology because I am concerned for your health. I, and other less experienced or qualified people here have obviously struck such a sensitive nerve with you that I am afraid you are headed for a heart attack. I can't have that on my conscience so I am bowing out of this way overblown discussion on the propriety of farting at young children at a birthday party. Again, I am very sorry KC. I will leave now with this one final thought: If a person offers a gift to another person and the second person doesn't accept it, to whom does the gift then belong? Bazinga! |
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David Marcus New user 3,375.97 miles outside of Paris, France. 81 Posts |
Mr. Cameron,
At the risk of using an absolute, I dare say that every thread I've read where someone disagrees with you, you quickly turn to insults, overwhelming abstract internet research to "prove" you're correct, and an excessive display of anger. Dude, chill. It's only a fart. Do it if you want to. Let those that don't, not. You cite someone else as starting the insults and such; so what? Why not just let it go? Does it have to become so personal? I've watched you bully almost every single person who disagrees with you for at least a few months now. Why? You don't really have to answer me. It was rhetorical, meant for your own introspection. I've gotten an insult or two for you on this thread and I don't think I deserved it. I haven't directed anything at you. Perhaps you don't recognize that you are insulting people. Again, a little introspection may help. In any event I leave you to your aromatic discourse. I will not cower away from expressing my opinions in other threads or answering direct or open questions, except to you. And I do hope we shall not engage again. Good day sir. David Marcus
“Next to music, beer was best.” - Carson McCullers
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David Marcus New user 3,375.97 miles outside of Paris, France. 81 Posts |
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On 2013-01-06 13:44, Bazinga wrote: Oh, that is wonderful. I love the teachings. I wish I had thought of quoting that. My sentiments exactly.
“Next to music, beer was best.” - Carson McCullers
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Kameron Messmer Special user Billings, MT 742 Posts |
I thought you were addressing me for a moment, David. lol
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David Marcus New user 3,375.97 miles outside of Paris, France. 81 Posts |
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On 2013-01-06 14:04, David Marcus wrote: Sorry, that "for you" above should be "from you". My bad.
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David Marcus New user 3,375.97 miles outside of Paris, France. 81 Posts |
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On 2013-01-06 14:14, Kameron Messmer wrote: Yeah, good thing I spelled the name correctly, eh? As you know from a post to you earlier in the thread, I don't intend to insult anyone. Of course it happens sometimes in forums since vocal nuances are not possible. I guess that's what emoticons are for, eh? Anyway, here's a thought: In light of the way this thread has gone, you might be able to add "Hosting a Jerry Springer-type show" to your arsenal of talents. ---- Now that was supposed to be funny. Dave
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