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kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
Anyone have some info on that effect...this is the description...its call " the puzzle "
A volunteer from the audience comes onstage and examines the pieces of a puzzle and freely selects one out of 100 differently shaped pieces. Once selected, the magician calls attention to a covered easel, which has been in full view throughout the entire show. Uncovering the easel, on display is a large 30" high x 22" across puzzle of Da Vinci's Mona Lisa painting with one puzzle piece missing! You guessed it -- the spectator's selected puzzle piece matches perfectly! Its look is very similar an effect from Gary Kurtz old show... If you have some info...contact me please... Thanks in advance... KUFFS |
qkeli Special user paris,france 792 Posts |
I think I've seen an ad for this effect in one of the last magic magazine, you should have a look at it!!!
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brainman Special user 970 Posts |
hocus-pocus.com has it.
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Bob Baker Inner circle 1111 Posts |
It is my understanding that this marketed item is a blatant rip-off of another performer's piece. Please investigate further before purchasing.
Bob |
kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
Hi Mr.Baker,
That is why I'm asking for info on that...Thanks, all of you..... kuffs |
Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
Not exactly, the same but from what I can gather from the descriptions, Lee Earle published a very similar effect in Issue 56 of Syzygy. It was called puzzle perception.
The few times I have done it, it played well. Regards, L. |
Julien Regular user 108 Posts |
Stolen from a guy of the Flicking Fingers team who had sold it to David Copperfield.
Turns out the ACTUAL creator will market his version a bit later. Don't rush... |
kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
Thanks all of you. I know the Lee Earle version routine and it's a bit different.
Like a said before, "the puzzle" looks more like the Gary Kurtz stage version...but thank for the hints. |
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The effect goes way back, so I am not sure who is ripping off whom. As far as I know it was first done by the British mentalist, Romark. The effect was identical except the puzzle was a map. When I saw him do it on the Ed Sullivan show he had a covered easel, a spectator selected a puzzle piece from a box. The puzzle was a map of the United States. The spectator selected, say, Texas.
Romark uncovered the easel and there was an assembled map puzzle of the US missing just one state- Texas. Use of a map was brilliant, because the whole audience could immediately identify what the missing piece was. So I really don't understand the ownership flap over the Mona Lisa version of Romark's puzzle effect. (The rights to which were sold to Bob Dorian after Romark's death) Does this mean if I make up my own version and use a different picture puzzle I will have invented a new effect?? Best Regards- Bob Cassidy |
kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
Thank for the clarification Mr. Cassidy...
Kuffs |
John Smetana ???? - 2009 499 Posts |
Bob's right, Romark did a "Puzzle" effect that looked very similar to the one in question. If I recall correctly, he also had a version published in the Bascom Jones publication "MAGICK". Sorry I don't have accesss to my files right now so I can't give the issue number.
Best thoughts, John Smetana |
kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
to answer Mr. Smetana,
It's in magick # 254 and it's a Dick Zimmerman idea. He said he gave a different solution to ROMARK for the Merv Griffin show. Thank all. Kuffs |
Julien Regular user 108 Posts |
If my understanding is right, the guy didn't rip the effect off, but the method.
In any case, here's the email from the Flicking Finger: ------- Dear Magicians My name is Nicolai Friedrich and I am a magician from Germany and a member of the flicking fingers. During the last years I won several National and international awards in magic. For example: In 1997 I was magician of the year in Germany In 1998 we won the Siegfried and Roy Sarmoti Award in Las Vegas and I performed at the Magic Castle In 2000 I won a FISM Award in Lissabon: 3rd Place Mental Magic In 2002 we got awarded the Fred Kaps ring One of my signature effects is an effect with a puzzle of the Mona Lisa where there is one piece missing and a spectator finds the missing piece out of many different pieces. This effect was part of my FISM act and in 1999 I sold the performance rights to David Copperfield, (but I am still allowed to perform this effect) which is documented by a contract. I came up with the idea in 1995 and there are documents (newspaper; magic magazine `Magic`) that can verify my copyright back to this time. In the last issue of the Magic Magazine there is an advertisement of a magician from Israel who offers exactly my Mona Lisa concept for sale. This is a rip off. I did not give this guy any permission to perform or market my effect. Because of the contract with David Copperfield I was not allowed to market the effect myself until now; but I will do so as soon as possible. At the moment it is very important to me that we can inform the magicians around the world that the effect that is offered is a rip off and that it was invented by Nicolai Friedrich. Please be patient and do not buy this cheap imitation. I will put my version on the market very soon. Thank you for your support Sincerely Nicolai Friedrich http://www.nicolai-friedrich.de ------- Hope this helps. |
Yaniv Deautsch Special user Israel 529 Posts |
One correction:He is not a magician, but he thinks he is.
And he never will be. And if you know someone who actualy bought this "item" feel free to laugh at their face. Yaniv Deautsch |
Fred Darevil Elite user 446 Posts |
Hello,
I'm always surprised with the concept of "buying" the rights to present an effect. I very well understand that stealing a technique or a presentation is bad. BUT I don't agree about forbidding oneself to present a certain THEME. Several years ago I had the same idea of effect with a puzzle. I was in a shop to buy Christmas presents, I saw a puzzle and I had the idea. Honnestly this theme is quite logical when you are a mentalist, you look around you and you ask for yourself : "What could I do with that ?". So what? A guy had the idea before? And if he wants to present this effect until he dies? I will never present my idea? Please!.. I think it is a little childish: "I am the first one so this idea is MIIIINE!!!". My opinion is: themes belong to everybody. So nobody will stop me from presenting this theme. In France we do not like very much the idea of banning and the idea that money can buy everything. Protecting techniques, protecting presentation, costumes, music, texts : YES ! But protecting themes : NO ! Why not buying the rights for the theme of "being a mentalist" ? Best, Fred |
Jonathan Inner circle Oklahoma 1223 Posts |
I have to agree Fred. I always have! Copyrights and Patents are there for a reason, and if you can't copyright or patent it in a way that no one else can use anything close to that, then you don't have protection. I believe you should honor someone else's idea. But if I get the idea for a puzzle effect and I don't know that person's method is, so I make my own; why shouldn't it belong somewhat to me? I can understand not selling it. But I think most of it is courtesy rather than a law or a RULE!
That's just me. I didn't explain it wery well so I know it will be misunderstood. I apologize for that in advance. Jonathan Grant |
Gianni Special user WILMINGTON, DE 993 Posts |
Quote:
On 2002-05-20 23:08, Julien wrote: This note was written more than two months ago. Is this item available for sale? If not - and assuming that all of the representations in this note are correct - how long are we to put off buying the effect if we like it? Gianni |
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