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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
The reason to use the term "negligent" instead of "accidental" is to emphasize that these incidents could have been prevented had the safety rules (which are by the way taught in NRA classes) been followed in detail.
Thanks for the clarification, Ed, regarding the cases about which you are concerned. The fact that "as it turned out" in some cases perceived threats turn out to be other than they were initially perceived to be, does not mean that the initial response was necessarily wrong. Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts |
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On 2013-01-15 01:31, balducci wrote: Do you even read your own citation? "Officials prefer the term accidental but most leaders use negligent dischare...to drive home the point." Pretty much what my statement did. But hey if you feel better about yourself, don't let me stop you. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Yes, and "Army safety officials prefer the term accidental discharge".
My point, which you missed (quelle surprise), was that a negligent discharge is still a type of accidental discharge. Call it a negligent discharge if you like, but it is still accidental.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I'm sorry, balducci, but the reason that safety officers prefer the term "negligent" is precisely because such "accidental" discharges are not strictly speaking "accidental" - that is, they are (to quote the text you quoted)
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almost always due to negligent actions of the operator, or improper or inadequate training and supervision This is the same reasoning that was used by my Driver's Ed teacher, who preferred the term "motor vehicle collision" to "motor vehicle accident." She was emphasizing that most motor vehicle collisions had a definite cause, and in most cases the cause was driver error. In ordinary usage, an "accident" is something for which there is no responsibility, it is something that "just happened." Safety officers want to get us out of that state of mind, and own up to what we failed to do properly. Looked at philosophically, to Aristotle, an "accident" was something that was unrelated to the "essence" of a thing; to a range safety officer, unintentional discharges of a firearm are essentially negligent. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Woland, actually the article says they (army safety officials) would PREFER to just use the term accidental.
And in any case a "negligent discharge" IS A type of "accidental discharge". Furthermore many (perhaps most) accidents (of all types, not just gun related) are caused by negligent actions of one form or another. Merriam Webster gives one definition of "accident" as "an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance". Furthermore, it defines careless as negligent. Give it up. You and RobertSmith are not going to win this one unless you lads start publishing your own dictionary. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accident http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/careless
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2013-01-15 07:17, Woland wrote: The reaction was still wrong. When you're pulling a trigger and ending someone else's life, you better be *** certain of your facts. (And no, I'm still not suggesting your opponent has to shoot first.)
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
If we wait for absolute certainty in all situations we will be paralyzed.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-01-16 07:02, Woland wrote: Oh, for a moment, I thought this was a climate change thread.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
LOL.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2013-01-16 07:02, Woland wrote: So it's OK to shoot people who don't have guns as long as you can convince the authorities that you thought they had a gun [q] Yeah that's not going to lead to any problems whatsoever. And I already said they don't have to shoot first. But if you're shooting at shadows that 'might' be someone with a gun, you're just as much a danger to society as the bad guys.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Ed,
Evidently you are unfamiliar with the basic rules of gun safety, as they were crystallized and formulated by Colonel Jeff Cooper: Quote:
1.All guns are always loaded. Even if they are not, treat them as if they are. If you follow those rules, you are not "shooting at shadows." These rules are followed by all properly trained individuals. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Properly trained individuals do not always act in accordance with their training.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
That's true in every field. The only solution I know of, is more training. (There is difference between practicing something until you can get it right, and practicing it until you can no longer get it wrong.)
I don't think you should fly a plane, drive a car, or use a firearm without training. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2013-01-16 16:29, LobowolfXXX wrote: most of us don't expect perfection. And ever after much practice in similar situations there are still factors that can impair judgment.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On 2013-01-16 16:21, Woland wrote: I am fully aware of the rules of gun safety. It's the morons out there who will shoot through a door or fire at someone who doesn't have a gun, then THEY are the ones who need to be aware of the rules of gun safety. And if you add to the number of people getting guns, you're going to have more people who don't know or care about the rules of gun safety. THOSE are the ones who scare me. You and Tommy don't scare me because I believe you would be concerned about who and what you're shooting at. It's your blissful disregard of those people out there who don't that concerns me.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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You and Tommy don't scare me because I believe you would be concerned about who and what you're shooting at. It's your blissful disregard of those people out there who don't that concerns me. Thank you for that vote of confidence! |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-01-15 13:41, Woland wrote: Tell that to the thousands of lawyers who advertise themselves as specializing in automobile accidents. And the thousands of people who go to them when they are involved in an accident. Contrary to your assertion, "accident," in its ordinary usage, simply means that the act was unintentional, NOT that no responsibility attaches to it. Of course, there are often situations that go like this" "Why did you run the red light?" "I accidentally dropped my cellphone while I was texting and the light must have changed when I bent down to pick it up." :eek: |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Understood, Bob. However, firearms safety is extremely important. The reason to insist that unintentional firearms discharges are "negligent" rather than mere "accidents" is didactic. If learned by the trainee, it is a constant reminder to follow the safety rules.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I agree, Woland. Firearms safety is so important that safety courses should be REQUIRED for gun ownership. But, for some reason, I have a feeling you will disagree with that.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Meanwhile, when you've lost Al Franken . . .
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Sen Al Franken (D-MN) on Wednesday indicated that he's undecided on an assault weapons ban, the Post-Bulletin of Rochester, Minn. reported. |
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