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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: There's some native Americans who'd like to have a word with you. Something about returning stolen goods, I think.
On 2013-01-08 13:31, Woland wrote: Anyway, my remark was concerning your jibe at health care. I'm one of those radicals who see health care as a legitimate part of the General Welfare, so you can understand why I have no problem with taxing people to pay for it. I do agree that it's wrong to levy taxes that are used to support an illegal or immoral purpose, but unfortunately, there's no checkboxes on the tax forms that state, "Do not use my money to fund illegal survelliance", or "Do not use my money to fund drone strikes on American citizens."
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-01-08 12:07, Woland wrote: You mean Robin hood was a bad guy?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2013-01-08 17:57, acesover wrote: Yeppers. He was a COMMMMMMUNIST--just like Santa Claus.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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And taxation is legitimate when applied to a moral, legitimate purpose. Now you're moving the goalposts. Your whole argument was that I may not take money from another even if it was a worthy cause like feeding someone. By direct analogy, certainly you and I have a right to feed ourselves. That right can be transferred to the community which has the right to see the community fed. Thus govt food banks are legitimate purposes of government. You can't have it both ways--either it is moral to take money for war and food at the peril of imprisonment or it is not.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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In a small community, landmark, your failure to participate in the defense of the community's women and children would mark you as a coward, and that would usually be the only sanction necessary. I am comfortable with the idea of universal military service, and also with a way out for conscientious objectors. And in a small community, Woland, killers of innocents are called murderers.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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There's some native Americans who'd like to have a word with you. Who would they be? And what about? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-01-04 13:58, mastermindreader wrote: If there's no inherently "female" aspect to it other than the name, why would they lose women's votes?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Maybe because domestic violence is an important issue for women as well as for some men?
Or just as likely- voting against an act with that title couldn't exactly be considered an ideal tactic for endearing themselves with women. |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2013-01-08 22:11, Woland wrote: They want their land back. You yourself said we have no right to it: Quote: As individuals, neither you nor I have the right to seize someone else's property because we think it could be put to uses better than he chooses. That would be theft. Since we have no right to be thieves, we can't transfer that right to our community. That wouldn't be a community, but a gang. Even if your gang has 100,000,000 members, if in the United States you are seizing a man's property for purposes that are not enumerated in the Constitution, it is still theft.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-01-09 12:06, EsnRedshirt wrote: What laws were in effect here when we and the Indians had our differences?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
His EsnRedShirt,
I'm open to the discussion. But they'd have to bring evidence that they were more entitled to the land than the people who are on it now. I see though that you have absorbed the lessons taught in our schools very well. In his column this week, Thomas Sowell describes what your genera...... taught: Quote:
In France between the two World Wars, the teachers' union decided that schools should replace patriotism with internationalism and pacifism. Books that told the story of the heroic defense of French soldiers against the German invaders at Verdun in 1916, despite suffering massive casualties, were replaced by books that spoke impartially about the suffering of all soldiers -- both French and German -- at Verdun. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Woland-
Of course this is the same Thomas Sowell, right-wing extremist, who has compared the president to Adolph Hitler and who vigorously defended BP after the Gulf Oil spill. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2010/06/22/......c/166560 The fact that one of his biggest fans is Texas representative Louis Gohmert really says it all about Sowell. |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: Right. Which is exactly why we surrendered when the World Trade Center collapsed instead of sending troops to Afghanistan.
On 2013-01-09 13:06, Woland wrote: I love America. I want America to be the best country possible. And if we were invaded, I'd probably go all Red Dawn just like many other people would. But that doesn't mean I can't point out the crimes of the past and present being committed by our government. In fact, if I want America to be a strong, moral country, it's my duty to point out her shortcomings, in the hopes that they can be corrected. Failing to pass a Violence Against Women act that protects native Americans isn't going towards correcting the shortcomings of our past and present.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Bob,
Thomas Sowell is a very distinguished, very thoughtful economist - and he was as he himself describes it, a marxist in his salad days. I think you would enjoy his books - particularly A Conflict of Visions. |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2013-01-09 14:15, Woland wrote: But Woland, it's so much easier to label someone a Right Wing Extremist than have to respond to them! |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
What are you talking about, Rockwall? I HAVE responded frequently to Sowell's right wing comments that are regularly quoted by Woland. Do you agree with Sowell's comparison of Obama to Hitler and his support of BP after their criminal negligence in the Gulf?
Here's a direct response to the false allegations Sowell made about the French- Does Sowell forget DeGaulle and the bravery of the French Resistance? Does he claim they,too, had no patriotism? |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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...the teachers' union decided that schools should replace patriotism ... Interesting idea of what constitutes critical thought. The mullahs would be proud.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Bob,
The French capitulation in 1940 certainly surprised DeGaulle, as well as Churchill. The point Sowell makes, and it would have been endorsed by both DeGaulle and Churchill, is not that French patriotism had been entirely extinguished, but that the necessity and the acceptability of fighting a war to defend their country had been educated out of the consciousness of many Frenchmen. Remember that well before the entire country was overrun, the French accepted an armistice in 1940 and set up a collaborating government. I recommend that you re-view the great French film, Le Chagrin et la Pitié, for a searing account of collaboration and resistance during the war. |
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FatHatter Regular user I'm here you're there and that's that. 137 Posts |
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On 2013-01-07 17:55, mastermindreader wrote: Hey Bob, Popped in today to see if you had answered my question. Not too surprised you haven't. Also not surprised that you've yet again let your imagination run wild and attempt to put even more words in my mouth. Did I say anything about all or nothing? Nope. Did I say seat belts were useless? Nope. Did I say anything about condoms? Nope. Did I even say that laws are useless? Nope. Waste of time? Nope. The point I did make is that with all these laws about one would think there would be a lot less crime about. Stupid me though. Laws create crime. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On 2013-01-09 20:00, FatHatter wrote: Great solution to the crime problem. End all laws. |
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