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David Nathan Magic
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Alright, I have a real dilemma this time. I am 13 years old, and I am working on a James Bond Act for the dutch Championships 2014.
at the end, I want an assistant's revenge illusion. I want to build it, but in a way it can break down in smaller pieces to fit in our car ( a renault scenic)
but I don't know how to do this, can anyone help me??

PS if you say I should buy one, I could! but it wouldn't fit in our car Smile
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If you buy one designed to fit in your car, it will. It will have to be built anyway as these are not "off the shelf" items for most magic stores.

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But that would cost A Lot of money.
I could get about €400,- ...........
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The hard part is that the gimmick has to be sturdy enough to move on it's own... so it's hard to make it break down. Sadly, anything that breaks down very small is normally time consuming and kind of a pain to put back together.

To make it both sturdy and break down is normally more expensive than making a "regular" prop.

For 400 Euro, you're going to have to do some massive, but not out of the question, re-designing of your idea... there's one that's done (I think by hans klock) on just one pole, wrapped in chains. I'm not suggesting that you steal his idea.. but try something along those lines..
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I've built several AR's over the years. Here's all the breakdown I've used: The drape comes off the track, the top is removed and the Base is also removed. The upright pieces stay together. This will fit in a small van and might fit in the back of a car. Make the upright section(s) as short as you can given your height and you'll have a better chance of getting it in a car. It depends on the car, too. You probably can't do it with a small car, but a standard size or large sedan will give you a better shot. Alas I have no idea of the size of the Renault Scenic. Possibly you could put a rack on top of the card and put the upright sections up there.
One tip: put LOTS of casters on the base, maybe six or seven around the circumferance, and most important, one caster in the middle. That will make it much easier to turn the illusion around on stage.

I suppose it would be possible to make the upright section(s) fold in half, but it would take some clever carpentry to make them stable enough to perform the illusion.

The price you pay for breaking down illusions for travel is that they require a longer setup and Tear-down time.

Incidentally I wrote a long article in MUM magazine about the Assistant's Revenge which ran in the June and July issues of 2011. It's got a lot of pictures, and lots of unusual ideas for presentations. If you can't get ahold of a copy of that issue of MUM, PM me and I can email it to you. My design was quite similar to the John Gaughan design. Since I see that you're a fan of Hans Klock, I'll mention this his design for the AR is just great, definitely the best of all the ones I've seen.

Once you get yours built, be sure to practice it a lot. It seems easy, and in a way it is, but great speed and confidence in the switches will only come with a lot of practice.

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Thanks a lot!
and Hans' design is great indeed. it is actually designed by dick kalisvaart. (www.di-design.com)
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Dennis - I performed the AR you built for Kramien for years on his show with Clay Crowell. It was a great prop and looked the part. We had two crates: one for the stocks and curtain and one for the base and top. It always got a tremendous reaction. You're right - it takes a while to get the hang of the switch. Making the stocks fold in half seems to me to be difficult without compromising the working mechanics.
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Here's one of the ones I built. I think it was the second. We removed the top and drape for photographic clarity.

Good to hear from you David, hope you are well and happy. I remember Clay well.

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This is the artist's rendition which we built the prop from. Done by John Copley of Crow Quill Graphics in Ann Arbor.

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Dennis,
As you may recall, I'm a big fan of your work, your design thinking, and the completeness of your plans. Do you plan to offer your articles compiled? I have to take you up on your offer for the piece mentioned in the post above. Thanks.

Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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James,
I sent the AR article to your email address. It was many pages so I broke it into a series of e-mails. Yes, I am planning to compile my MUM articles (Or 47 of the 49 articles) in a book format.

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There's also one for sale here: http://www.magicauction.com/Mag_auc/illusion_pg2.htm

Scroll down to find ZOPPE'S REVENGE.
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The best thing you could do is make the illusion small enough to pack in the car as it is. For example, have the assistant strapped in while kneeling down (fake some ankle restraints to justify this position).
Then you would only have to have a collapsible structure for the curtain.

However if you still can't get it small enough, then the only thing you can do is build it full-sized then chop it in half (or thirds!)

If doing it this way, you'll want to cut it in this way:

|_ |

=|=|=|= <- This is a bolt that joins the two vertical pieces.
||_|
||

Does that make sense? You're cutting it in half and making something like a tongue-and-groove connection that you join via a bolt.

Then you just make sure the base and curtain are removable (depends on your specific design) as has already been pointed out and the whole thing should pack up nicely.
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Oh crap, that did NOT come out the way it was supposed to...

Tongue-and-groove, tongue-and-groove...

Aye yai yai!
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