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Xcath1
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It's called "simple math"
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On 2013-05-26 23:09, Robvs wrote:
DVD relies too heavily on "classic f****" type of moves that require precise timing. However, they're necessary at "high-stakes" moments and have no solid "out."

While I perform the classic f****, I don't RELY on it. I always found that move easy, and I practiced it by performing it every single time I needed someone to pick a card, even if freely. However, I just find lots of this kid's moves to be much harder to practice than the traditional classic f****. You can't practice some of these moves without completely fouling up a trick and taking out your invisible deck as an out.

He is so charming. I smile during his presentations. However, his moves are "custom" in a sense. Lots of fiddling around with the cards, reminiscent of Lennart Green. I laughed when I read someone call his effects "self-working." Not true at all. You need major audience management and timing skills and an ability to just do whatever you want with the cards in a nonchalant manner. Rainman is cool, but I generally caught the method in the demo. I feel like your spectators may catch the method too if you don't get the "best scenario," which I believe is a REAL factor in that trick.

I find the DVDs discouraging.


I agree ! They are far from being self-worker ! Technically not hard (for most of them) but very advance in confidence.
The good news is that hard move (or force with timing) can be replaced by easier move (which eventually weaken the effect of course).
But I really enjoy his sloppy oriented card style Smile
those effects are really good, simple and baffling. I really like it.
For "easier trick", one can go for "Stocan" and "LLL peek", eventually "Value" is very good with little effort.
“Simple math” is easy but not that easy if "the total" is high Smile

Cheers
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For simple math I do a quick overhand shuffle to start with a low value card on top to keep the total from being too high.
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On 2013-05-26 23:09, Robvs wrote:
DVD relies too heavily on "classic f****" type of moves that require precise timing. However, they're necessary at "high-stakes" moments and have no solid "out."

While I perform the classic f****, I don't RELY on it. I always found that move easy, and I practiced it by performing it every single time I needed someone to pick a card, even if freely. However, I just find lots of this kid's moves to be much harder to practice than the traditional classic f****. You can't practice some of these moves without completely fouling up a trick and taking out your invisible deck as an out.

He is so charming. I smile during his presentations. However, his moves are "custom" in a sense. Lots of fiddling around with the cards, reminiscent of Lennart Green. I laughed when I read someone call his effects "self-working." Not true at all. You need major audience management and timing skills and an ability to just do whatever you want with the cards in a nonchalant manner. Rainman is cool, but I generally caught the method in the demo. I feel like your spectators may catch the method too if you don't get the "best scenario," which I believe is a REAL factor in that trick.

I find the DVDs discouraging.


I felt the same after watching it.
A lot of the tricks on the DVD do rely on using the classic f****, but that said, you can always use other methods, such as the riffle f**** if you don't feel confident with the classic.
I personally prefer to employ the riffle in those circumstances.

For me, the great thing about Joe's performance style, and in a way it helps to adopt a similar style, is if ever attempting anything that doesn't quite work out, because the performance style is so relaxed and nonchalant in nature, you can almost move on to something else.

Only the other day, I was performing for someone and first of all attempted 'Memory Poker' which I realized half-way through I wasn't going to be able to pull it off on this occasion so instead flowed straight into 'Stocan' and performed that perfectly.
I think the greatest thing about Joe's stuff is its great 'jazz'ing material.

One reviewer said that this DVD is not for true beginners because you need to have spectator experience, and that is true, you have to be able to handle some situations where one method/effect might not work.
That's not to say they don't work because with practice they do, but they certainly require practice and do require you to be able to think on your feet at times.

One effect on the DVD, 'Count to Aces' I believe, is Joe's take on the classic 'Shuffle Lesson' and it uses a move which is the bane of my life: bottom deal!

I have however been able to think my way through to a method which involves no such move!, yet has the same benefit as Joe's original effect, where spectator is dealt a chosen number of cards, and immediately after that, can move the top and bottom cards of their packet to the middle.
I thought that moment was incredibly deceptive so wanted to try and keep that within my method but try and eliminate the awkward bottom deal...or at least..MY awkward bottom deal! lol Smile
If anyone is interested in my workaround, feel free to pm me. Happy to share! Smile

My feeling is if you have any decent experience with cards I believe you can take Joe's methods and adapt them to suit your style or ability.

My personal favourite effect on the whole set though has to be Rainman.
So much fun to perform, easy to do, and is a great trick to jazz with.

Personally, I perform it differently to Joe.
With his second prediction, it's more of a magic effect where the prediction 'changes'.
I prefer to have the spectator, or a different spectator, name a second number, and I predict that card too...only this time they deal face down, and it's the...[if you know the method, you know the card].
Doing that:
a) keeps it within the theme of 'memorizing a deck' but also
b) helps sell the fact that you can do it for real, if there were any concerns over how you got the first card [spread].(because you accurately predict the 2nd number without ever looking)

I reckon as well, that Rainman is one of those effects where the more you perform it, the more you can start to notice what numbers get named more often than others.
To those that know the method for Rainman, you don't HAVE to use the cards Joe mentions....
if you notice spectators name certain numbers more than others, start using derivatives of those numbers instead when you go through.
That way, you increase the chances of 'best scenario's.

In closing, while I do agree that a fair few of the tricks do employ risky moves, its my belief that anyone with half decent card skills and experience can either work with these or around them entirely, finding new ways to achieve the same result, like me eliminating the bottom deal from 'Count to Aces'.
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On 2013-05-27 04:36, Xcath1 wrote:
It's called "simple math"


Xcath1,

Thanks for that answer. It is much appreciated.

Mike.
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I´m mainly interested in Rainman. I would buy the DVDs if there is enough explanation on the DVD to be able to perform this with

- one
- borrowed
- shuffled

deck.
Please can someone clarify doubtless if this is the case? I would appreciate it when the answer would respond to all of these three aspects.

Thank you!!!
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On 2013-08-24 14:24, kollo wrote:
I´m mainly interested in Rainman. I would buy the DVDs if there is enough explanation on the DVD to be able to perform this with

- one
- borrowed
- shuffled

deck.
Please can someone clarify doubtless if this is the case? I would appreciate it when the answer would respond to all of these three aspects.

Thank you!!!


Rain man is performed with one borrowed shuffled deck. As most other routines on the DVD.


I honestly LOVE the DVD set. It has some incredible and extremely powerful material. All of the routines are workable and extremely fooling. Not to mention most of the routines are very easy to do. There's nothing difficult. I think the most complicated slieght is a bottom deal.
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I fooled a bunch of magicians at magic live th stuff of this set. Has been very under the radar
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It is killer stuff.... Stuff is super simple once you know the secret but think of how fooled you were when you first saw it. DVD is full of easy to very hard routines but
thankfully the majority fall on the easy side.

And yes rainman is done with a borrowed shuffled deck. But his second phase uses another deck but if you only want 1st then your good.

Ryan
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I haven't had the chance to see Joe's DVD's yet, but I did just spend the weekend with him at the Session Convention.

It's been a while since I've seen card magic that both fooled the crap out of me and made me want to use it.

Joe's magic did both.

I haven't seen the dvd... but I can't wait!
If you're reading this you're my favorite magician.
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Ben absolutely agree with you( enjoyed your lecture by the way). His manner / personality during performance was really a joy to watch. Bought his DVD on the back of it and will really enjoy watching.
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Fortunately I bought the limited edition lecture notes (I already have the dvds). They were worth the money for his OOTW routine alone! Best version ever IMO!
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Hi Guys,

We also have this DVD collection as an instant streaming video. http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Inscru......ion.html

Regards

Peter
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Are the lecture notes available anywhere or were they just on sale at the Session?
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They were limited to 100 copies. You'd have to contact Joe himself to see if they sold out but I'd be surprised if they didn't. He was a big hit!
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A nice, clean set of effects. I try to do effects that really look like I do nothing and things just happen.
It has been a long time since I have been fooled by similar approaches and effects. This was a joy to watch.
Great ideas- with little changes here and there 2 effects are already in my arsenal for use with borrowed cards- I have different routines for my own deck, a new deck and a borrowed deck.
Highly recommended.
Gary
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Just wondering if the effect at 5.30 is real and available:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGTMOKJRbIo

I would say, Mr. Barry is surely capable of doing such amazin magic, but a little bit, I have the feeling the Mr. Madison is a great actor too Smile
Did I miss this effect on the 2 DVD set which I like lots?
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The video was taken down. What was the effect?
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Literally watched the first trick on this DVD and there's already improper crediting the move for the "stop trick" type phase is a Bruce Cervon move from hard boiled mysteries. Joe mentions Marlos bottom deal stop trick move but goes to say "I do it this way" but that way is the exact move in hard boiled mysteries
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Just got the inscrutable with a vip bundle from alakazam.... Curious about this.
Hopefully amazing stuff as usual from Peter nardi and everybody at alakazam
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