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Hello,friends! As I right understand Jim Steinmeyer creator of Origami illusion.And he create this illusion for Doug Henning,so D.H.first who perform this trick. And build this illusion John Gaughan. And we can see design of Origami on video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oB988DB8gk .In many years, the design has little changed,but generally the same principles. And second Origami perform David Copperfield or not??? Who build D.C. origami? John Gaughan too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSMrLl62cts May be somebody have photo of D.C. origami,interesting to compare with today designe....Can anybody answer me please,very interesting!I find some photos,on one old booklet,which sell Daniel Summers, we can see the design of Origami very close to David Cop., so may be anybody know who on photo and who builder of this Origami? Thanks beforehand for the answer,Sergey.

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And one more photo big size....

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One of the best illusions around. Smile
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I recommend asking Jim Steinmeyer. He can surely answer all of your questions more competent then anyone else here.
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Thanks Ingo Brehm, may be this better advice....i ask Jim!
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Serg, the design of the Origami Box Illusion has changed very little over the years. Johnny Gaughan built both Doug Henning's and David Copperfields.

There are only two official builders of the illusion and that is Gaughan and Wellington Enterprises out of New York. I have seen these two versions side by side and there are very few differences. The overall design and dimensions are the same.

I know the prop inside and out and even have talked with the creator about its development.

Steve
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Thanks Steve! But Doug Henning's and D.Copperfield's versions little different. So I think before builder not the same....D.H origami first, but more like modern design, and D.C. build later but side rail under the base other design.Yes I know that only two official builders,and how look and which difference between. But who on photo,which I attach ( on BOOK,which sell D.SUMMERS),and who builder of this origami? Best wishes to all,Sergey.
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Steve is correct. Gaughan built both Henning's and Copperfield's. There are stylistic differences, and Copperfield introduced an popularized the larger swords, but the are fundamentally the same.
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One primary difference between Doug's and David's is that David's does not employ any bevel.
It's all in the reflexes.
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You doubt me? I've been at this for quite some time ...

Sure, Doug's looks a bit different and there are reasons for that. It was the first, a prototype if you look at it that way. Doug was also opposed to using swords ... he just didn't like the idea. The massive swords used in later versions are to visually make the box look smaller. All part of the overall illusion.

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As for your previous question about an Origami featured on the front of the book, it's very difficult to tell because of the lack of detail.

I believe this is Roger Despard and from what I can tell it's a Gaughan model of the Origami. The photo may have been altered for print and of course the mirror has been removed.

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Serg, Steve is right on.
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Thanks Steve and Eldon. On photo Roger Despard! But I have question to Illucifer: I know you have experience,so you exactly know that in D.Copperfield Origami don't use bevel? Very interesting!!! May be side rail under the table not semi-transparent?
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So the tables may have been made a little different ... what are you getting at? I've seen David's up close ... it's just the same as others that Gaughn built. There is nothing different except maybe the finish and materials.

Are we building a copy to scale or something?

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My understanding from a reliable source is that David had it built with no bevel. That is a fairly significant difference, in my opinion. My information could be wrong, I grant that. I'll defer to Steve if he's actually seen the piece up close.
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Steve, for me interesting history,how this idea born and developed. And why side rails under the table have difference between D.C. and modern versions. Even Doug Henning have other design than D.C.,and more look like modern. But if you see close, I must trust you Steve. Believe me I know all detail of this illusion,and all difference between Gaughan and Wellington,and I must to say that both model very very perfect(but my personal preference is Gaughan!).You joke Steve.... if I decide to perform this illusion I buy ONLY original !!!For me not interesting speak about how it build,and dimensions.
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I know the prop inside and out. I've worked on the Gaughn model and I own a Wellington myself. As far as how the design may have changed over time well, that's how things go. A builder can make the same prop for years but, change the design or the way it's manufactured to either improve the prop or save some money in production.

I've got two Modern Arts built by Owen Redwine ... that's another story. What's interesting is there are some significant improvements from one model to the next. I thought once you have your jigs and design .. things should pretty much stay the same.

I was wrong ...

Steve
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Materials change or become unavailable and feedback from customers to improve an items are both items that can cause designs to change. My products, as most guys that have been in the business this long, are always changing to small degrees. Think about lacquer paint, Krylon, and the use of laminates in magic building that was unheard of before. Necessity becomes the mother of invention and change.

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On 2013-02-05 14:28, Illucifer wrote:
My understanding from a reliable source is that David had it built with no bevel. That is a fairly significant difference, in my opinion. My information could be wrong, I grant that. I'll defer to Steve if he's actually seen the piece up close.


I always thought the bevel was one of the neatest subtlety of the illusion.
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I had already noticed that design of the side rails of David's origami was different. I had never watched carefully, but you are right: in addition to different side rails there is another big difference, much more than ornamental (sorry to contradict you, Cheezaday). I've watched video again and it's clearly seen "something" that I had never seen at other Welligton nor Gaughan's models. Oddly this difference does exist in other fake origami... After years you can always learn something new, this is a very interesting thread Smile
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