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craig filicetti V.I.P. Arizona 550 Posts |
Hello Guys,
I have been in discussions with Mark and he has removed the product from his site. I appreciate all your support and Mark is a perfect gentleman and was very responsive to my emails. Also for the record this is not a product that he developed and he was not aware of the routines. Thanks, -Craig
ProMystic - Professional Systems For Mentalists
<BR>www.promystic.com |
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Sammy J. Inner circle Castle Rock, Colorado 1786 Posts |
Mark just showed real class.
As soon as this was brought to his attention, he removed the item from his site.
Sammy J. Teague
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
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On 2013-02-03 12:49, craig filicetti wrote: No problem Craig. I'm happy to have brought this one to the attention of the Café and for the issue to have been resolved to your satisfaction. Another good deed done.
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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jonnyboy Inner circle San Diego 1021 Posts |
Craig has let me know that he has been in touch with Matk, who said that he is not marketing the routine, but pens in pockets, and Craig asked him to pull the routine from the web stie, which he apparently did. So that is a good thing.
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
Maybe you should buy an English pen and learn to write proper English then.
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I have no axe to grind as Mark Mason is my favourite dealer and the best by a country mile . Secondly I have nearly all Craig's effects and his customer service is second to none . However I do own six scents which has a pen routine very similar to Colour Match which seemed to get released with no hassle and a good few years ago when I bought my MD at Blackpool , Mark was already selling a similar wooden one which I heard was released before Craig's . You don't stop taking medicine from your Doctor because the patent is up and he now gives you a generic brand so get over it , nothing is new in magic so everything is an old idea . Most of the people on here who go on about ethics don't buy the effects anyway they just like stirring it up IMO
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Yes Die Lema was out before MD , also Millenium Wallet was about before E wallet so there you go , I think
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Martin.Lester Inner circle 1014 Posts |
Mark has sent this email
We have removed Artwork Prediction from our websites until we do further investigation. As we have been informed that although the methods are different the routine is similar to another product. We do NOT wish to be associated with any copy goods so it has been taken it down. No more orders will be taken for this product I think it's time to leave this now as nothing more to be said ,as item is no longer available |
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David Klass Inner circle Beckenham, England 1205 Posts |
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On 2013-02-03 14:07, nanaswan wrote: And Christopher Taylor has just confirmed that T3 was out before CM. |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
It might have been but we was talking about the routine
Mark has said it's now no longer for sale Can't see why this subject can't be dropped now |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thanks David for clarifying seems Christopher should be the only one with an axe to grind if at all
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craig filicetti V.I.P. Arizona 550 Posts |
I have made my comments in 'inner thoughts' as it goes to method and should not be discussed here.
Best, -Craig
ProMystic - Professional Systems For Mentalists
<BR>www.promystic.com |
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Alex DLF Inner circle 1990 Posts |
Mark mason is a true gentleman, this is one of the many reasons why I love him. (as a creator, don't take me wrong ^^)
Get yourself Stamper and MONU, the perfect walkaround packet tricks: https://youtu.be/rwtfeKFeLms & https://youtu.be/yz5yKlI-4w8
Make sure to check my English review Channel! http://www.youtube.com/c/alexisreviews |
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dooblehorn Inner circle Pittsburg, CA 2474 Posts |
In my opinion, both Craig and Mark are standup guys with very good reputations...I don't think either one is out to "rip off", the other.
People are a little bit quick to jump to conclusions before knowing the whole story. I own both Promystic and JB products, and I'll stll Buy from both, because they both sell quality products with superior customer service. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
Mark Mason - kudos to you sir!
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of aerospace level quality, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2013-02-03 12:49, craig filicetti wrote: Quote:
On 2013-02-03 12:53, Jamie Ferguson wrote: Simply amazing... now you’re taking credit for Mark Mason taking it off the shelf and the issue being resolved! If you noticed, Craig’s salutation was; Hello Guys and not Hello Jamie. Well, that and aside from the fact that you originally were the one defending this trick and saying that it was different. It always amazes me how you can always twist things, albeit quite feebly, to make it look like you are the victim and the one who is enlightening everyone on the Café. vos adepto quid dignus es But, be that as it may. Mark Mason has undoubtedly proven himself to be a class act by removing this trick from his site. However, I fear that it will quickly pop up on one of the many Chinese magic sites who constantly sell a plethora of effects that are nothing more than cheap rip offs.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10795 Posts |
Craig stated that the MAIN issue was not the product itself but rather the presntation/routine I believe.
Craig stated that his understanding was that this product uses the Anverdi methods - so the main issue being the routines that were used. http://geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Tony_Anverdi
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of aerospace level quality, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
That's correct Brett. Tony Anverdi invented the concept with his effect 'Colour Match'. Craig updated it with an improved method, a different approach and his own routine. Craig used the name 'Colour Match' as a respectful tribute to Anverdi.
The whole issue of copying was about the routine and not the method/effect. It looked like Mark Masons product used Anverdis method and Craigs copyrighted routine. As soon as Mark realised this he removed it from his site and emailed his subscribers with the info. All in all it was handled very well. best, Sean |
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Neznarf Inner circle NY then AZ now 1840 Posts |
"Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass...it's about learning how to dance in the rain."
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rowdymagi5 Inner circle Virginia 3616 Posts |
What confuses me is that "certain" people can take an existing trick, modify it slightly, or "improve" it and depending on who they are, nobody says a thing. There are several such items in the last several years that are examples of this. And there are several people who made much better quality products that had to pull them because the magic community called it a rip-off (the clear switchboard comes to mind--it was much better than the Wellington product in that it was clear, nothing to hide)
Yet, we have rip offs that are touted as the latest greatest thing because of who they are. Interesting......... |
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