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Hi,

As you know, I'm new to this forum. But I have a simple question: I would like to know if someone as myself can learn self hypnosis as a means of making permanent inner changes in my self. Not talking about quitting smoking since I don't smoke, but I'm referring to other changes such as gaining more self confidence, improving my attitude toward others, seeing life in a more positive light, improving self esteem, perhaps gaining more self confidence with the opposite sex,, learning to let go of past painful memories and encumbrances, etc, etc.

Is self hypnosis real ? Is it efficaceous in making lasting, permanent changes in one's innner self? Can a novice such as myself learn it? Where would I start? Etc, etc.

I would really appreciate any input you guys can give me.
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This forum is about entertainment hypnosis and not to open the debate of "is hypnosis real". The answer to your questions is "yes", but I certainly wouldn't be coming here seeking advice on self-improvement or empowerment.
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The answer to your question, as Mindpro said, is "yes."

The thing is, a lot of people claim they have learned self-hypnosis when all they are doing is relaxing. There's nothing wrong with being able to relax quickly and deeply, it's just not hypnosis. The end result is that because they're not in hypnosis, any suggestions are unlikely to be accepted.

So the easiest solution is to visit a trained and experienced hypnotherapist. Do a search for one in your area. Make an appointment and tell him or her exactly what you want. In that one session you'll not only be hypnotized and resolve some of your issues, you'll also

learn what hypnosis is and is not
learn how to do self-hypnosis
have an anchor set so you easily and quickly go into hypnosis by yourself

The challenging part will be learning how to appropriately learn what suggestions to make. For example, it's not a good thing to "let go of past painful memories" because you'll be open to experience similar things again. Instead, you would want to remove the emotional charge you still feel over those memories.

Ask you hypnotist what books he/she recommends. I would suggest the book "Helping yourself with self-hypnosis" by Frank S. Caprio and Joseph R. Berger.

Oh, and by the way, if you are hypnotized and if the suggestions are made in a way that your subconscious mind will accept them, suggestions given during hypnosis and self-hypnosis actually improve in strength over time. You no longer even think about the old patterns because they're no longer a part of your new approach to life.
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I agree entirely with dmkraig. Forget self hypnosis for now and seek out the best hypnotherapist you can find. Search for a reputable hypnotherapy register/association or two in your country and use them to find a therapist you feel confident with. If the first one doesn't help, please do try again, all hypnotherapists are not made equal.
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Mindpro,

I apologize, for I was certainly not trying to start a debate! I was simply seeking answers from experts. I assumed that many people here, even though entertainers with hypnosis, are pretty much experts on the subject of hypnosis in general and in all it's facets.


I apologize if I offended anyone, but I was simply seeking out knowledge in the only place I currently know where to possibly find it. I guess I figured if you guys don't know the answers, nobody does.

I'm sorry for offending any one.
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No problem just referring you to the rules of this forum, the debate about the reality of hypnosis, and it's use in therapy.

Also if you've spent any time here lurking, NEVER assume anything about those here. Most (not all) are not actual hypnotists but magicians trying to position themselves closely related to hypnosis. They don't work with hypnosis on a daily basis, performance, therapeutic or otherwise. Also as of the last couple of years there is a heavy overseas and European influence here which may or may not be helpful to you depending where you are from and the style of hypnosis of interest.

There can be some very helpful and useful information here pertaining to performance hypnosis of all types. If you have used the search function or visited the archives, you will understand some of the topics you are presenting are longtime nasty hot topic issues here.

dmkraig as always offers some very good and insightful advice.
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I have to disagree with the above posts. Hypnosis, at least on a stage, is not a real and distinct state. Therapy is not my thing, so I offer no view on it.
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Just from reading these few posts, it is glaringly obvious to me that I have mountains to learn.
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Tony how do you know its not real? There is "proof" that the brain behaves differently in response to suggestion when hypnotized and I wouldn't think that would make any difference with regards to context stage or therapy. I think the state non state argument is a waste of time. Hypnosis DOES affect people in ways that normal every day communication doesn't you don't need a brain scan to see that. Lasting change comes from within because that's where reality exists for each individual. Reality is fluid its not fixed. Hypnosis isn't really a science its more of an art. That's why trying to dissect each element and trying to prove or disprove it exists is not an accurate way to understand and a limiting way to learn.

Real lasting change comes from within. Hypnosis among numerous other things can help you make those shifts sometimes a lot quicker than other ways. All a hypnotherapist does is reconnect you with your inner resources you have everything you need to be do anything you want already inside. At least that's the theory..
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I have to disagree with the above posts. Hypnosis, at least on a stage, is not a real and distinct state. Therapy is not my thing, so I offer no view on it.


...or you can take advice here from a kiddie magician, that says he does hypnosis shows, yet does not believe hypnosis exists, ...but yet claims to do a hypnosis show !?!
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All I'm trying to do is conclude a lifielong search to find something to effect lasting inner changes in myself. I do indeed believe that real change comes from within. That is apodictic.

I've spent a lot of my life studying the phenomenon of "self talk" (Anybody ever heard of Chad Helmstedtter?)

Anyway, my goal is to find a way to get those positive self talk scripts into my deepest core without having to repeat them to myself or listen to them on a tape for a gazillion hours till they finally kick in and supercede my old inner scripts / programs which have been with me for a lifetime. My ratiocinations gave me to think that I MUST bypass the concious mind, the "GATEKEEPER". if you will. I'm tired and weary of the old way of endless repetition, so upon more thought I graviitated toward hypnosis as my final hope. Now I don't have the funds to pay for a hypno-therapist, and that leaves me with self hypnosis.


That is how I ended up here, as a last thread of hope that someone could steer me in the right direction. Then I ended up offending peoole, for which I am truly sorry.

And that's my story (you know how the rest goes) ......"and I'm stickin' to it"'
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@daffydoug, yeah, that's the problem with "positive affirmations" and "self talk" and similar methodologies.

I look at it like an old speakeasy. If you knock on the door to get in, you have to know the password. If you don't have the password, you're not allowed in. However, if you keep coming back, day after day, week after week, month after moth, the gatekeeper MIGHT let you in.

With hypnotherapy, the speakeasy is the unconscious, outside the door is the conscious, and the door itself is called the "critical factor." When the conscious says, "I'm gonna quit smoking" the critical factor says "it's addicting and you can't" and the unconscious goes along with the critical factor. As Danny said above, real change comes from within. If you don't change the unconscious, you don't change.

So you can pound on the door over and over and maybe you'll get in after weeks and months or longer of repetition. Or you can just give the password—hypnosis—and get inside, directly to the unconscious.

Actually, that's the simple part.

The really difficult part comes once you're inside. You don't want to make a fool of yourself and have everyone inside think you're an ***wipe! You have to know exactly what to say, how to say it, and when to say it. That's the therapeutic part of hypnotherapy.

If you want to learn hypnosis for regular work, either internal for self-change or external for helping or entertaining others, that can be learned in a few minutes. But if you really want to do changework, it takes training/study and experience. I would respectfully suggest just going to a hypnotherapist. He or she will be able to help you achieve your desired changes rapidly.

(Pssst. One of the reasons various psychotherapists don't like hypnotherapy is because the results occur so fast. Did you know that one of Freud's goals with psychoanalysis was to have it last a long time so he would have patients coming back again and again and make him a lot of money?)
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Talking at yourself is great. Affirmations are great.

Till you get out and start DOING, they are worthless.
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On 2013-02-03 18:23, TonyB2009 wrote:
I have to disagree with the above posts. Hypnosis, at least on a stage, is not a real and distinct state. Therapy is not my thing, so I offer no view on it.


...or you can take advice here from a kiddie magician, that says he does hypnosis shows, yet does not believe hypnosis exists, ...but yet claims to do a hypnosis show !?!

At least I can do a hypnosis show. I don't have to put sixty people on the stage and play a numbers game. If you ever move beyond that I might start taking your little views a bit more seriously.
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That's funny, you're a joke. I get paid quite handsomely to put on a show of that size.
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Dmkraig,

Thank-you for the good advice! It was very informative.

As I said, I'm flat busted, don't have the money for a hypno -therapist. I guess that brings me to a dead end as far as long lasting inner change. It's the end of the road for me,
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That's funny, you're a joke. I get paid quite handsomely to put on a show of that size.

Thank you Mindpro for giving us a new definition of what it is to be a hypnotist. I didn't realise it was all about the size of the cheque. There was me thinking technique and showmanship were part of the equation.

In all my years on this forum your contributions have offered the most banal and conventional of views. This is the closest to an original idea I have seen you stumble upon. Well done.
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On 2013-02-04 22:03, Mindpro wrote:
That's funny, you're a joke. I get paid quite handsomely to put on a show of that size.

Thank you Mindpro for giving us a new definition of what it is to be a hypnotist. I didn't realise it was all about the size of the cheque. There was me thinking technique and showmanship were part of the equation.


Yes you see once you have the skills, technique and showmanship mastered, and then perform them for a living you are monetized for your knowledge, expertise and performance...by the size of your check. It's called being a professional entertainer.

In all my years here reading your posts it still amazes me that you don't understand this, and of course that you still really are not performing a stage hypnosis show, yet have all the answers and abstract opinions.

Keep it up, it's performers like you that keep me in business.
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On 2013-02-05 10:11, daffydoug wrote:
Dmkraig,

Thank-you for the good advice! It was very informative.

As I said, I'm flat busted, don't have the money for a hypno -therapist. I guess that brings me to a dead end as far as long lasting inner change. It's the end of the road for me,


Not at all. It just needs to begin with a change of focus and a change of attitude.
Perhaps you can get a weekend job. Within 2 weekends of work you should have enough for a trip to a hypnotherapist.
Perhaps you can cut back on eating out, buying music or games, going to clubs or movies. I don't know of anyone who doesn't have some expenses that an be cut.
It comes down to what you want to do. If you really want to change, you can come up with a way to do it.
Contact a professional hypnotherapist. Perhaps he or she will allow you to do some work in exchange for therapy.
I would respectfully suggest that rather than focusing on what you can't do, begin your change by looking at what you can do.
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