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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Can anyone point me to a link for a Time line of famous Magicians?
-Mary Mowder |
mrmagician Regular user 124 Posts |
The best one I have see in book form is Dave Price's Book. I do not think I have ever seen an actual time line of magicians past and curent.
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
I wonder if the Café could crowd source such a timeline?
I'm just asking. I have no expertise in this area but it might be a powerful tool to bring the uninitiated (like myself) into an interest in Magic History. I think one reason I'm afraid to jump in is the subject seems so formidable. Timelines seem so friendly. -Mary Mowder |
magicgettogether Special user Michigan 556 Posts |
Are you speaking of online timelines? What would you want on the time line, IE birth and death dates. I did something similar using Facebooks timeline for Abbotts. My suggestion online would be Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/AbbottMagic |
Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
I'm not into Facebook. I think many are though. I can see the timeline without joining, that is a good thing. I like your project as well. It is easy to follow.
Yes, birth and death but time as a Pro or working amateur would help too. Maybe a couple of sentences about their work. Maybe a color code to indicate where they worked on a continental scale but perhaps that's over complicating it. Anything more could be footnoted or linked. Thank you for the link magicgettogether, that seems like it could work. Can more than one person work on the page? -Mary Mowder |
Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
Magic Castle members/staff and Jay & Frances Marshall's records plus the American Museum of Magic's files would be excellent resources, too; not to mention the S.A.M. and I.B.M. Then there's Genii and Ask Alexander.
It would require someone motivated to take on the project... J |
magicgettogether Special user Michigan 556 Posts |
Yes, you can have several administrators on a facebook page.
In the past I tried doing a timeline with some cool software that showed start and end as bar graphs, but once you got past 5 or 6 items simultaneously going on, it became too convoluted and difficult to read. I would imagine it would print ok if you used a poster printer, but a normal 8.5 x 11 was unreadable with text overlapping the bar graphs. |
Kevin Connolly Inner circle New Jersey 1329 Posts |
You may want to try Magipedia on the Genii Forum.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Choosing what to put on such a timeline would be rather subjective. Also, given that the history of magic goes back nearly as far as recorded history (Dedi lived around 2700 B.C.E.), such a timeline might prove unwieldy.
You might take a look at this resource: http://www.magicexhibit.org/story/story_hist_1750.html There is also a wiki timeline of magic (not just magicians) at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_magic I know some Café magic history gurus dismiss wikipedia as being unreliable, but anyone with a competent degree of research skills would know how to cross-check sources to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to verifying information found in any medium. And even then there may never be a definitive, single correct answer to any inquiry. The on-going debate about the identity of Erdnase is an example of a research question that may never be answered to everyone's satisfaction. So it behooves any researcher to cross-check any information with multiple sources. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Sorry for my duplicate post. Can anyone explain to me why that happens?
----- Sonny
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Anatole, thank you for the Wiki link.
As far as the duplicate posts go, I don't know but you can get them removed by clicking "report this post" and clicking "duplicate post". Thank you every one for your input. -Mary Mowder |
Kevin Connolly Inner circle New Jersey 1329 Posts |
Apply hammer to keyboard to remove duplicate post.
Please visit my website.
www.houdinihimself.com Always looking buy or trade for original Houdini, Hardeen and escape artist items. I'm interested in books, pitchbooks and ephemera. Email [email]hhoudini@optonline.net[/email] |
Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
Milbourne Christopher's Magic, A Picture History, is short on a lot of details but he begins with Cheops of Egypt forward to the 20th century magicos.
How about Magic 1400 -1950 if you have deep pockets, or will settle for a British version from Amazon for less than $50. ( May cost a fortune to ship) And a soon to be released re-issue is coming from a US printer for about $250, also from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Magic-1400s-Pre-Or......400-1950
Et tu, Spartacus?
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Spartacus,
I have that and I read it about 20 years ago, not much stuck. But I will dig it out again. -Mary Mowder |
magicgettogether Special user Michigan 556 Posts |
If I was going to actually tackle a project like this for publication I would get Paul Nielsen from Wunderground Magic on my team as an adviser, he is on the board at the American Museum of Magic and has written several articles on magic history. Paul is also into software and might have a suggestion on the timeline software. http://topsmag.com/Newest_Tops/?author=8
Gabe Fajuri is another magic historian who would be very helpful as an adviser, he did a great presentation on the history of Abbotts magic last year at the 75th Get Together. He also designed the tickets, program, and posters at the 75th Get Together for Abbotts. http://www.magicgettogether.com/galleryh......1521.jpg When it comes to Magic History, these two have helped me out in the past. They are both very busy people but always seem to have time to offer advice. When I was putting together the history of the Magic Get Together webpage ( http://www.magicgettogether.com/history.html ) we went to Gabe to see what happened in 1963, right there on the phone with me he looked into it. that's how I would do it...Or I would just cram it all into facebook Chuck |
Wizzard Veteran user 322 Posts |
There is a OOP book called 'The Magic Catalogue' by William Doerflinger. Written in 1977, a very interesting publication. found one here at a reasonable price:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&......ive=9325 I'm sure you can find some of the information you are looking for. John
It's never the wand, it's always the magician
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Wunderground New user Clawson, MI 13 Posts |
Hi Mary:
There are two online timelines that I like. http://www.all-about-magicians.com/history-of-magicians.html http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Timeline_of_Magic One thing I like about them is that both start with the Westcar Papyrus and neither credits it with describing the cups and balls. (I figure if they can't even get the first entry right, the rest will be dubious too.) Neither of the sites are color coded, but the "magicpedia" site has brief descriptions with embedded hyperlinks, so you can get a high level idea of who the performer or what the effect was and then dig deeper for more information.
Share the Wunder not the secret - Wunderground Magic
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Franky33 New user 53 Posts |
I think these are a good start.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Resurrecting this thread...
I think the resources mentioned above would all be a good starting point, but I would add some history reference volumes like: _Magic: A Pictorial History of Conjurers in the Theater_ by David Price http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Pictorial-Hi......45347381 Although it is not a timeline per se, the text could be a starting point for culling and adding dates to existing timelines. It might also be interesting to develop subsidiary timelines--like a "Timeline of Dove Magic" that starts with Cantu and follows the history to the present with people like Sultangali Shukurov and Sara Kabigujina (FISM Grand Prix winners in 1979), Joseph, and Greg Frewin. Then there could be a "Timeline of Stage Manipulation Acts" and other specialty acts like "A Timeline of the Bullet-Catching Trick," "A Timeline of Magic Literature," and "A Timeline of Suspensions and Levitations." ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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