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Mary Mowder
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Can anyone point me to a link for a Time line of famous Magicians?

-Mary Mowder
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The best one I have see in book form is Dave Price's Book. I do not think I have ever seen an actual time line of magicians past and curent.
Mary Mowder
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I wonder if the Café could crowd source such a timeline?

I'm just asking. I have no expertise in this area but it might be a powerful tool to bring the uninitiated (like myself) into an interest in Magic History.

I think one reason I'm afraid to jump in is the subject seems so formidable.

Timelines seem so friendly.

-Mary Mowder
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Are you speaking of online timelines? What would you want on the time line, IE birth and death dates. I did something similar using Facebooks timeline for Abbotts. My suggestion online would be Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/AbbottMagic
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I'm not into Facebook. I think many are though. I can see the timeline without joining, that is a good thing. I like your project as well. It is easy to follow.

Yes, birth and death but time as a Pro or working amateur would help too. Maybe a couple of sentences about their work. Maybe a color code to indicate where they worked on a continental scale but perhaps that's over complicating it. Anything more could be footnoted or linked.

Thank you for the link magicgettogether, that seems like it could work. Can more than one person work on the page?

-Mary Mowder
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Magic Castle members/staff and Jay & Frances Marshall's records plus the American Museum of Magic's files would be excellent resources, too; not to mention the S.A.M. and I.B.M. Then there's Genii and Ask Alexander.

It would require someone motivated to take on the project...

J
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Yes, you can have several administrators on a facebook page.

In the past I tried doing a timeline with some cool software that showed start and end as bar graphs, but once you got past 5 or 6 items simultaneously going on, it became too convoluted and difficult to read. I would imagine it would print ok if you used a poster printer, but a normal 8.5 x 11 was unreadable with text overlapping the bar graphs.
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You may want to try Magipedia on the Genii Forum.
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Choosing what to put on such a timeline would be rather subjective. Also, given that the history of magic goes back nearly as far as recorded history (Dedi lived around 2700 B.C.E.), such a timeline might prove unwieldy.

You might take a look at this resource:
http://www.magicexhibit.org/story/story_hist_1750.html

There is also a wiki timeline of magic (not just magicians) at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_magic

I know some Café magic history gurus dismiss wikipedia as being unreliable, but anyone with a competent degree of research skills would know how to cross-check sources to separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to verifying information found in any medium. And even then there may never be a definitive, single correct answer to any inquiry. The on-going debate about the identity of Erdnase is an example of a research question that may never be answered to everyone's satisfaction. So it behooves any researcher to cross-check any information with multiple sources.

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Sorry for my duplicate post. Can anyone explain to me why that happens?

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Mary Mowder
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Anatole, thank you for the Wiki link.

As far as the duplicate posts go, I don't know but you can get them removed by clicking "report this post" and clicking "duplicate post".

Thank you every one for your input.

-Mary Mowder
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Apply hammer to keyboard to remove duplicate post. Smile
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Milbourne Christopher's Magic, A Picture History, is short on a lot of details but he begins with Cheops of Egypt forward to the 20th century magicos.
How about Magic 1400 -1950 if you have deep pockets, or will settle for a British version from Amazon for less than $50. ( May cost a fortune to ship) And a soon to be released re-issue is coming from a US printer for about $250, also from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Magic-1400s-Pre-Or......400-1950
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Spartacus,

I have that and I read it about 20 years ago, not much stuck.

But I will dig it out again.

-Mary Mowder
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If I was going to actually tackle a project like this for publication I would get Paul Nielsen from Wunderground Magic on my team as an adviser, he is on the board at the American Museum of Magic and has written several articles on magic history. Paul is also into software and might have a suggestion on the timeline software. http://topsmag.com/Newest_Tops/?author=8

Gabe Fajuri is another magic historian who would be very helpful as an adviser, he did a great presentation on the history of Abbotts magic last year at the 75th Get Together. He also designed the tickets, program, and posters at the 75th Get Together for Abbotts. http://www.magicgettogether.com/galleryh......1521.jpg

When it comes to Magic History, these two have helped me out in the past. They are both very busy people but always seem to have time to offer advice. When I was putting together the history of the Magic Get Together webpage ( http://www.magicgettogether.com/history.html ) we went to Gabe to see what happened in 1963, right there on the phone with me he looked into it.

that's how I would do it...Or I would just cram it all into facebook

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There is a OOP book called 'The Magic Catalogue' by William Doerflinger. Written in 1977, a very interesting publication. found one here at a reasonable price:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&......ive=9325
I'm sure you can find some of the information you are looking for.
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Hi Mary:

There are two online timelines that I like.
http://www.all-about-magicians.com/history-of-magicians.html
http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Timeline_of_Magic

One thing I like about them is that both start with the Westcar Papyrus and neither credits it with describing the cups and balls. (I figure if they can't even get the first entry right, the rest will be dubious too.)

Neither of the sites are color coded, but the "magicpedia" site has brief descriptions with embedded hyperlinks, so you can get a high level idea of who the performer or what the effect was and then dig deeper for more information.
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I think these are a good start.
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Resurrecting this thread...
I think the resources mentioned above would all be a good starting point, but I would add some history reference volumes like:
_Magic: A Pictorial History of Conjurers in the Theater_ by David Price
http://www.amazon.com/Magic-Pictorial-Hi......45347381

Although it is not a timeline per se, the text could be a starting point for culling and adding dates to existing timelines.

It might also be interesting to develop subsidiary timelines--like a "Timeline of Dove Magic" that starts with Cantu and follows the history to the present with people like Sultangali Shukurov and Sara Kabigujina (FISM Grand Prix winners in 1979), Joseph, and Greg Frewin. Then there could be a "Timeline of Stage Manipulation Acts" and other specialty acts like "A Timeline of the Bullet-Catching Trick," "A Timeline of Magic Literature," and "A Timeline of Suspensions and Levitations."

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