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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-30 11:48, Dannydoyle wrote: The same thing doesn't happen under right wing dictators? |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
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The same thing doesn't happen under right wing dictators? Examples? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I find it a bit scary that you don't seem to know of any.
How about folks like Batista, the Duvaliers, Pinochet, Saddam Hussein, Ghaddafi, Noriega, Marcos, Haile Selassie, Pahlevi, Botha, Ngo Dinh Diem, Salzar, Popodopolous, and Franciso Franco? To name just a few. Embarrassingly, many of the aforementioned were supported by the United States. You'll find an interesting overview at http://friendlydictators.blogspot.com/ |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Bob,
You really should read up on Batista; he was not such a bad guy. General Pinochet's entire coup resulted in 2,000 deaths or so - hardly a day's work for a communist. Saddam Hussein was a Ba'athist socialist. The official name of Qaddhafi's country was the Arab Socialist Republic of Libya. Ras Tafafi? Diem? You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel. When it comes to communists, we are talking the deliberate starvation of 5 million Ukrainians; the massacre of 1/5 of the entire population of their country by the Sorbonne-educated Pol Pot; 50 million deaths in Red China; millions sent to work camps and death camps. Batista and Pinochet don't even get on that kind of scoreboard. In the XXth century, mass murder of millions and tens and millions of people was carried out only by statists - whether fascist, national-socialist, or communist. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Well I did leave out Hitler. I'll admit that. (Because I know you will just try to argue that he was a leftist, despite his war on communism and his right wing ideology.) And, as I'm sure you are aware, countries that have the word "socialist" in their titles are often no more socialist than those which contain the word "democratic."
Batista and Pinochet not so bad? What about Marcos? Do you think he was a pretty good guy too? We're going to have to disagree here. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi Bob,
It's fine to disagree. Always enjoy exchanging thoughts with you, whether we agree or disagree. I don't know enough about Marcos to answer. I think he was a pretty bad guy. I don't know how bad. I read Luis Taruc's autobiography in high school; I doubt that the Philippines he would have governed would have been much nicer than Marcos's. I will also read up on Fulgencio Batista again. This is very nicely stated: Quote:
. . . countries that have the word "socialist" in their titles are often no more socialist than those which contain the word "democratic." But I don't think that explains everything. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Actually, what I wrote is a poorly constructed statement subject to misinterpretation. I should have written it this way:
Countries that have the word "socialist" in their titles are often no more socialist than those whose names contain the word "democratic" are democracies. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Oh, here's some basic info about Batista:
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Batista initially rose to power as part of the 1933 "Revolt of the Sergeants" that overthrew the authoritarian rule of Gerardo Machado. Batista then appointed himself chief of the armed forces with the rank of colonel, and effectively controlled the five-member Presidency. He maintained this control through a string of puppet presidents until 1940, when he was himself elected President of Cuba on a populist platform.[2][5] He then instated the 1940 Constitution of Cuba, deemed progressive for its time[citation needed], and served until 1944. After finishing his term he lived in the United States, returning to Cuba to run for president in 1952. Facing certain electoral defeat, he led a military coup that preempted the election. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista But I've got to say that he had the best hat: |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-04-30 16:55, mastermindreader wrote: Where did I say that and how does it make what I said different? A fine distraction and a wonderful straw man you love to knock down. Why is it when you do it yourself it is ok?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Danny-
Immediately after Magnus's post, which concluded with- Quote:
Holodomor had little to do with communism and everything to do with a brutal dictator starving a nation into submission. you responded with - Quote:
Coincidental how often those two equate isn't it? The plain meaning of your reply was that communism and brutal dictators often equate. I didn't argue with that. I merely pointed out that the same thing happens under right wing dictators. So I really don't understand your typically angry response. My answer to you was in the same tone as your answer to Magnus. No straw man and no real argument either. Just you being angry for no reason. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thanks, Bob. Very Russian-style hat.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
After coming to power there the way he did I am not sure what I would have done if I had been Fidel Castro.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-04-30 22:56, mastermindreader wrote: Obviously a secret Soviet Socialist.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-05-01 01:54, mastermindreader wrote: If you see anger that is on you. We were talking about left wing and communism. Then John said it was the guy in charge not the fact that he was leftist that was so brutal. I said that it is often the two equate. Then you went to try to point out how bad right wing dictators are to distract from the point being talked about. Then you go on to try to list them somehow in some false moral equivancy saying they are just as bad. It was a distraction and a straw man. Plus you get the Hitler point by trying like crazy to point out he was a right wing guy. Even though nobody toom the bait. Then you try to paint me as angry for simply pointing it out and calling you on it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Kevin Connolly Inner circle New Jersey 1329 Posts |
What happened to Global Warming? Sorry.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
They have been asking that ever since tbey switched the claim to global climate change.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I don't know, landmark. Cuba is a complex country. Batista actually was the only recent major political leader there who was proud of his African heritage. The Castro regime, in contrast, is 100% white in a country that is 50% black. Funny that the American left never comments about that.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-05-01 09:59, Kevin Connolly wrote: Apparently, it's an invention of an international communist cabal. I keep learning new stuff here.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
John do you deny the political leanings of many who have made such claims?
I am jot saying that the entire idea is a plot. I do think that many would love to push it for political purposes. This is what gets murky.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Sorry Danny. But you clearly missed the entire point.
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