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Richard Osterlind
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Thanks, Bryn. I know you will come up with something "special" for them!
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This arrived yesterday. I will need to go over it a bit to get the workings of it down, but the method is pretty sinister. I'd like to add that while I don't think it looks very "proppy," if you disagree you can always make your own after the fact. Can't wait to test this out. Thanks (again), Richard!
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I don't just dislike number based effects...I REALLY dislike them. Looking at my show, you're not going to find a "single one." (Double pun intended.)

So when I heard about Numeric Vortex, I shrugged and thought "...nope. Not gonna happen. What else is there?"

I mean my decision to completely ignore NV was instant and absolute.

I had the opportunity to spend some time with Richard Osterlind recently and he was very excited about this concept. I tried to steer the conversation into ANY other area: kittens, global warming...anything. But somehow the conversation kept returning to this NV thing.

Finally, Richard asked me directly what I thought of it. No way out. So I told him that I feel numbers are sterile and uninteresting and that, while Magic Squares and Add A Number work well for other people, I despise them.

I was looking at NV in the very most basic NUMBER application.

He started telling me about the method he had devised and I have to admit that it was edging into the "hmmm...this could be cool" category for this mathophobe. But I still wasn't really sold. Osterlind was in Edmonton for a lecture and he demonstrated NV for a room full of magicians and mentalists. When he finished people were utterly silent. One mentalist said out loud "I have no idea how you did that."

And I must admit that it was easing into the "okay...that IS cool." because Osterlind has THREE spectators choose stage sized cards with completely different numbers and he told them what numbers they were looking at. From across the room. (It COULD be a remote viewing routine with TEETH.)

I rather expect that you have an idea of how this effect works...and you'd be right. But what you don't know is how brilliant the method really is. You'll pick up the idea of it within ten minutes of reading the instructions. And, while it will take me a while to be completely comfortable with it, I can see some significant advantages.

There's nothing to memorize -- which is good for me cause I have enough in my head.

You don't even TOUCH the cards.

You could do TEN spectators if you wanted to -- although I expect that after the first five or six the audience will start dozing off.

The system is bulletproof and, while you're going to need to do some minor mental summersaults, it's going to be perfectly manageable.

I worked with it for a couple of hours last night and have a great feeling about it.

And these aren't JUST numbers. As listed in the instruction document: they could be randomly generated numbers...coordinates in a "spy theme" effect...a code...think about it in terms a of a University study on paranormal abilities or scientific theory.

There's a LOT you can do with six numbers.

I like the effect...I love the method. Will it actually make it into my show? Honestly, I'm not sure yet. If it doesn't, it will not be the fault of the prop...just a shaggy minded mentalist who still doesn't like numbers.

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That's higher praise than I can give, and mine's pretty high. Smile

I would say for most presentations, you do touch the cards to a certain degree(however minimally), although there are ways around that...but even then, that's hardly a deal breaker, in my book.

I agree, I doubt I would do 10 people. Probably 3 at the most in my case, since I think the point will be well made. Smile
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Dang, there goes my wallet again. I also feel a little cold about number routines, but this is getting some good praise.

-Max
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On 2013-02-20 13:07, David Thiel wrote:
I don't just dislike number based effects...I REALLY dislike them. Looking at my show, you're not going to find a "single one." (Double pun intended.)

So when I heard about Numeric Vortex, I shrugged and thought "...nope. Not gonna happen. What else is there?"

I mean my decision to completely ignore NV was instant and absolute.

I had the opportunity to spend some time with Richard Osterlind recently and he was very excited about this concept. I tried to steer the conversation into ANY other area: kittens, global warming...anything. But somehow the conversation kept returning to this NV thing.

Finally, Richard asked me directly what I thought of it. No way out. So I told him that I feel numbers are sterile and uninteresting and that, while Magic Squares and Add A Number work well for other people, I despise them.

I was looking at NV in the very most basic NUMBER application.

He started telling me about the method he had devised and I have to admit that it was edging into the "hmmm...this could be cool" category for this mathophobe. But I still wasn't really sold. Osterlind was in Edmonton for a lecture and he demonstrated NV for a room full of magicians and mentalists. When he finished people were utterly silent. One mentalist said out loud "I have no idea how you did that."

And I must admit that it was easing into the "okay...that IS cool." because Osterlind has THREE spectators choose stage sized cards with completely different numbers and he told them what numbers they were looking at. From across the room. (It COULD be a remote viewing routine with TEETH.)

I rather expect that you have an idea of how this effect works...and you'd be right. But what you don't know is how brilliant the method really is. You'll pick up the idea of it within ten minutes of reading the instructions. And, while it will take me a while to be completely comfortable with it, I can see some significant advantages.

There's nothing to memorize -- which is good for me cause I have enough in my head.

You don't even TOUCH the cards.

You could do TEN spectators if you wanted to -- although I expect that after the first five or six the audience will start dozing off.

The system is bulletproof and, while you're going to need to do some minor mental summersaults, it's going to be perfectly manageable.

I worked with it for a couple of hours last night and have a great feeling about it.

And these aren't JUST numbers. As listed in the instruction document: they could be randomly generated numbers...coordinates in a "spy theme" effect...a code...think about it in terms a of a University study on paranormal abilities or scientific theory.

There's a LOT you can do with six numbers.

I like the effect...I love the method. Will it actually make it into my show? Honestly, I'm not sure yet. If it doesn't, it will not be the fault of the prop...just a shaggy minded mentalist who still doesn't like numbers.

David.




David is only saying all that because, when I was in Canada, I stole his car keys and told him I won't send them back unless he gives NV a good review!
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I'll add my name to those who dislike most number and math effects but who really love this routine. I think it's because the way Richard frames it, which is an object lesson in how to make something which is kind of dull (a string of six digits) into something of profound meaning (this could be your PIN or a lottery number -- it's safety and security, wealth, dreams... Big stuff!)

But it also goes beyond that -- fiction writers are praised for unearthing insights about the way we live, but it's not often you see such insights come from a magic or mentalist show. But I had one of those moments of insight while watching Richard's video of the effect -- it kind of slipped by me how much we rely on simple strings of random numbers and how that's all a castle built on sand if someone can simply read our minds and know those numbers. This isn't just a "think of a number" effect: it plays on deep fears and dreams and therein lies its power.

-Chris
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Thank you so much, Chris, for recognizing the routine's potential.

Just like a really good card calling routine should say to the audience, "I would hate to play cards with him!" this routine should say, "Man, I had better not think of my own social security number!"

Richard
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Confusion is not magic, and I got so confused by this thread, because of the earlier thread which was locked. (That thread has me wondering: In what world is claiming that someone thinks of his customers as "suckers" and claims of "new principle -- let me laugh!" NOT considered rude and the sort of things chicken would cackle only when they hide behind the internet?) Here I was wondering, what happened? Had it been unlocked with the chicken posts removed?

Well, now I can comment on my own experiences with NVortex. I performed it a couple of times within the confines of our apartment complex for elderly and really slow people. (That's the name of the apartment complex: Apartments for Elderly and Really Slow People.) But I performed it without the cards. Since there are about 5,000 flyers posted daily at our mailbox area down the street, on our car windshields, at the laundry building, and on our front gates, I tore up a bunch of them and put numbers on the back of them. Otherwise, I performed it rather standardly, ensuring that I spoke (during performance) about security, PINs, identity theft, etc.

Reaction was much larger than I expected - and the second time, it was even larger, though several of the folks had seen the first performance. The BEST reaction though, was that a couple of residents immediately walked to the front office and had their entrance codes changed.

People REALLY fear for their security these days, and NVortex can scare the bejunior out of them.

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The hilarious name of the appartement complex really made me chuckle, Chet - and it somehow reminded me of this tongue in cheek article:
http://searchwarp.com/swa312086.htm

I leave it to the readers whether fooling (and scaring) those residents with NV should be read as recommendation - or not! Smile
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This effect is so strong I recommend it highly.Much potential here outstanding job Richard.
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Thanks so much Carl. I am so glad that people like yourself waited to get the routine before commenting on it.

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I received my Numeric Vortex on Saturday. And like all of Richard's effects this one EXCELLENT. And I would expect No less than Perfection from Richard Osterlind. I, like many others tried to figure out the method first and I just could not figure it out. My wife who is a Teacher and Specializes in Math Principles also could not figure out the method. And she still does not know as I will not tell her.

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Just ordered from Penguin and am really looking forward to it - will be back with thoughts I am sure!
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Received my NV late yesterday afternoon. By 7pm I was frightening myself with a new-found ability to quickly and accurately divine six unknown numbers.

Find a copy of La Dolce Vita or view Falkenstein and Willard in performance. The blindfolded seer on stage calling numbers on the cards held by audience members is as primal as the image of a tuxedo-clad performer answering questions written on little slips of paper.

Thank you Richard.
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Got mine today - I will be making this performance ready immediately!

hard to beat for a number effect, the numbers are excellent, though spectators wont have the opportunity to look through, there are multiple repeated digits and the same number does not follow the number every time, there are no funny marks on the cards,
I thought this would either be excellent or terrible, I'm happy to say that so far it's excellent!

Even if used slightly differently, the work that has gone into the actual numbers and learning the system will be worth the price - plus you get the nice set of cards with it if you want to use them,
plenty of room to play with this
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Received this and it is great. Fooled a math teacher. I wish the cards came with a solid colored back design. There is no reason why they were printed with a pattern; it gives people the idea that maybe they are marked.
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On 2013-03-02 17:24, PatrickGregoire wrote:
Received this and it is great. Fooled a math teacher. I wish the cards came with a solid colored back design. There is no reason why they were printed with a pattern; it gives people the idea that maybe they are marked.


solid black might have been nice, but it's not an issue for me - if it came to it, you could write or print your own cards anyway
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We decided to go with a legitimate "security pattern" (its one that is actually used on some security envelopes) for the backs. We actually had to pay for the rights!

I know it will sound stupid from this end of the business, but just say, "The backs have a "security pattern background" to prevent any kind of markings." Just say it and keep on going. No one ever questions it. Smile
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Thanks guys. I didn't think anything of it until I performed it for someone and he was trying real hard to figure it out and asked if the backs were marked because of the pattern. I agree that if I mention what Richard said that it will probably shoot down that theory completely and make it seem that much more impossible, and I won't be lying either!
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