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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts 
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Hey Vlad,
I do sometimes perform the trick "in the hands" of a spectator. However, I always use Bannon's blocking idea (I think he now calls this Doctoring Daley). This adds some much needed time misdirection between the mechanics of the method and the revelation. However, I still prefer to perform the trick to a table top if one is available. I've added a poll to the post to see what other magician's prefer: Daley Dilemma (Part 1) Marty |
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1771 Posts
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Hi Marty,
Got the email and will look to do something in the coming days. Got quite a bit going on before Blackpool so will do my best. Jon
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NFW Inner circle UK 1002 Posts
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Looks interesting Marty, I've signed up. Thanks.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts
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Got the email and will look to do something in the coming days. Got quite a bit going on before Blackpool so will do my best. Jon, there's no rush. Have fun in Blackpool. @NFW, I hope you enjoy the articles. Thanks for the sub. Marty |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts
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I bet I'd like it if I saw you guys do it. You've thought through every shortcoming I perceived, and a few I hadn't/couldn't articulate. I actually wish I could forget all that interesting analysis and just see your takes on the trick. Few things are more potent than having something you took to be a certainty completely supplanted. Thanks for taking the time to set out all that detail, which to me is the most interesting part of magic.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts
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"I would just say in defense of DDLT that when the effect is done in the spectator's hands, it takes on a whole new dimension "
I would think so. And there's another thread discussing a highly flawed YouTube "tutorial" that, despite it's flaws, has precisely the quality you describe here. Not DDLT; but a vivid confirmation of how potent it is in the spectator's hands. again, thanks for taking the time to get into this. |
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2559 Posts
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That's why I don't perform DDLT. I perform Eddie Fechter's "Be Honest; What is It?" instead. (And I include the second part of the trick, the part that David Blaine leaves out.)
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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On 2013-02-11 11:54, Jon Allen wrote: Hiya Jon, how's things?  As you've probably seen by my other string, Double Back is still one of my favorites, as is The Daley Trick.
And Marty, good job, good topic.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts
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For those who haven't looked at "Daley's Dilemma Pt. 1 & 2," linked to in this thread, it's a first-rate deconstruction of the trick. If you liked reading "Strong Magic," these entries are similar, and just as rigorously thought out. Earlier in the thread, I was only able to articulate a generalized dislike for the trick. These short essays are the explanation for that dislike -- but they also propose solutions. As indicated above, I suspect I'd quite enjoy either Vlad's or Marty's handling, as they both have clearly given it a great deal of thought. I'd encourage Marty to undertake more analysis along these lines; really well done.
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Presarian New user 50 Posts
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Hey, thanks for creating such a page. I really enjoyed reading it. Will be loooking forward to your next post (:
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foolsnobody Special user Buffalo, NY 842 Posts
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On 2013-02-12 19:19, BarryFernelius wrote: I learned the effect from Magician Nitely. I have a question for you. I like the fact that in Fechter's presentation the cards are random. Not Aces changing to Kings etc. Like the magician and spectator might be holding a red deuce and a black seven, and the cards that have supposed transposed with each other are two completely different cards. And the magician removes both the original cards from his pocket. It just seems funnier in a wacky wierd sort of way, to me. So do you use "memorable" cards or random cards and which way of doing it is more effective in your experience? |
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts
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Like Barry, I too prefer Fechter's routine. As far as the spec is concerned there are only two cards in play so the effect is really a transformation more than it is a transposition. That's why I don't use random cards--the impact is diluted. If a red deuce and a black seven turn into a black Jack and and red nine, it might be somewhat startling but the overall impact is lessened. With Aces turning into Kings or Queens, the contrast is clearer, cleaner and the impact is greater.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts
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Thanks for all the kind words about the articles, I'm glad people are enjoying them. Part 3 has just gone live.
Regarding "Be Honest, What is It?" I agree with Barry an Steven that it is a better trick in many respects. I think this is because the presentation has more meat to it. I'm particularly found of the way Michael Vincent performs it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRMBBZGYQ0 I'll be sharing a version of Daley's trick tomorrow called "Big Bullet Monte" that will addresses all of the weaknesses I've blogged about. Marty |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts
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I'd suggest reading Parts 1-3 and, then Vlad's post that expands the discussion.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts
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The final part of my analysis is now live. I've also added a novel version of Daley's trick to the free tricks area of my blog. This trick has been designed to address all of the issues I've mentioned in the four articles.
Read Daley Dilemma (Part 4) Marty |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9616 Posts
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On 2013-02-13 05:20, martyjacobs wrote: Enjoying the blog quite a bit. Again, good stuff! Michael Vincent is indeed very smooth with this. I am a big fan of the way Bill Malone presents this great trick and I actually do it this way whenever I present it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJGibVxORY
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts
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Thanks Mb217, I too like the way Bill Malone presents this, audience love the "The hard part is making them switch back" gag. However, I'm still not convinced it is a good idea to perform this in the hands of the spectator if a table is available.
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1561 Posts
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I prefer "Be Honest" for reasons mentioned above; it just generates stronger reactions for me. However, if I'm at a table, I prefer DLLT's trick.
I guess I use the "chase the ace" presentation, but agree one phase is not enough. Two phases allows you to (somewhat) condition the audience, which makes the surprise play bigger. Also, if you're working for a group and you only have one phase, there's a chance someone may say the AoS is neither card 1 nor card 2, but among the discarded aces. This ruins the climax. What the hell, here's how I do it (more or less)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6-8Nw5tBi4 I use the Bannon gag mentioned in DMF for "Be Honest". However, I like it so much, I've adapted it to this trick.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1746 Posts
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Hi Cain,
Thanks for sharing your handling, very smooth. Marty |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1790 Posts
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On 2013-02-14 17:08, Cain wrote: Slick handling, Cain! BUT - and I get the impression that this thread is populated by intelligent enthusiasts who are also adults capable of handling polite criticism - it was too fast for me. Especially the first phase, I had NO idea what was going on! Sleights indetectable, but you lost me, I'm afraid. How about Be Honest.. as a prelude to DDLT? If you do the ending to Be Honest... when you take the other cards from your pocket, then you already have the four cards out and ready. I dunno, maybe it's too much: it doesn;t satisfy the Ortiz rule of toughening the conditions each time. |
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