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C.J. Inner circle There's a lotta rambling in my 2366 Posts |
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On 2013-02-15 23:33, Paul Carnazzo wrote: The other week I was going back over Banachek's PSI Series Vol 4. He does this with a woman who at first claims to feel nothing, then suddenly, "OH! Yes, I FEEEEEL IT!" Makes the concept very believable.
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
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On 2013-02-15 19:17, TonyB2009 wrote: Not to be argumentative, well, maybe so… This was popular in the 1970’s, so you’re saying that 360 years of study wasn’t enough but 400 was? And elementary studies in Chaos Theory say you’re wrong. But you won’t see that on a stage. In fact, one day in 1974 I walked into a computer room on the campus of Chattanooga State Technical Community College and sat down in front of an IBM 1620 computer programmed for a modulated loop at an audible frequency that was setup to feed back through a battery operated transistor radio set off-station. We (students) were able to change the tone being played through the radio by focused concentration (somewhat like a mental Theremin). It became a bit of a game when it was discovered that making faces, blinking, and twitching the eyebrows could also cause the change. Interestingly enough, gross motor functions (jumping around, flexing biceps, etc.) did NOT cause a change. (If you recall, “bio-feedback” monitoring was also becoming quite popular during the 70’s; I still have a kit purchased from Radio Shack lying around here someplace.) More to the point of the O.P., magicians trying to do mental magic, as well as various deliberate exposers have brought many things down to the level of magic tricks. It’s sad for history, but it does raise the bar and force us to be better. I’ve owned the “Key Bender” since the 70’s, but my (current) character can’t get away with metal bending. Possibly someday, but for now I need to stay away from anything “material”, including pendulums, bending, and PK. I like those effects, but lack the ability to pull it off convincingly. I do use PK Touches as part of a “bonding” routine, but that’s my limit. Matthew, IF I were to start bending, as a relative newbie to mentalism, I’d use Banachek’s routine comparing two spoons and letting the spectator bend one. I did this immediately after leaving his lecture, and it was very subtle and quite convincing.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Bob, I could see the micro-PK effects being credible, if presented properly. In fact it could lead to some interesting effects. But all the metal benders who have gone into a lab have been debunked. We have to give the audience some credit. That's all I am saying.
Some people - notably Derren Browne - put their abilities down to a mix of non-supernatural methods. They can bend metal to their hearts content. But those who claim - or imply - real psychic abilities have to be careful not to insult their audience. I am firmly convinced that if you bend metal for a modern, educated European audience, you put yourself firmly in one camp. And it is not the real camp.
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ajb6864 Special user Greece 637 Posts |
I'll gladly put my head on the line.
Metal bending is the most 'real' phenomenom to many "lay people". If anyone disputes that, I would say that either they have not demonstrated it properly, or they have not demonstrated it at all. |
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
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On 2013-02-16 15:09, ajb6864 wrote: Incredibly well said. J.
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MatthewSims Special user 778 Posts |
Glad to see this still in discussion, and no lettuces or tomatoes being thrown
Again, as I stated in the original post, these are just my humble thoughts. Ajb6864, my question is...how do you know that this is the most "real" phenomena to a lay audience? It can be easy to get caught up in the awes and gasps of reactions. Who is to say that the spectator isn't just greatly impressed with an incredible magic trick from their perspective? Even if we were to ask them what their honest opinions were of what they just witnessed (the pk)...I feel the majority of people would feel obligated to give us positive feedback (telling us they believe that we are the "real thing" etc.) Regardless, I think we can all agree that it must certainly fit your character and persona. Matthew |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2013-02-16 15:09, ajb6864 wrote: I have never performed in America (outside of a few undistinguished minutes in a Boston comedy club). But I do know that in Europe metal bending does not have any credibility as a demonstration of real abilities. Over here it is a magician's trick. That is the reality. Here is a question for Bob and Jerome, who both do strong Q&A. I have no doubt that a layperson will react with amazement when metal bends. I have had people bless themselves and scream. But do you think the lasting impact of that matches the impact of a more personal reading? Less dramatic, but I think more impactful, and more credible.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I agree that Q&A is stronger. But, then again, it (and its innumerable variations, including 4DT and the like) is stronger than any other mental routine as well. I use key bending primarily as an interlude between major effects.
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Presarian New user 50 Posts |
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts |
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The second goal is to elicit deep emotions from spectators, so that our experience together may be all the more meaningful. Surely this is not an end in itself? Elliciting deep emotions and creating meaning are both very abstract terms. What sort of demotion and sense of meaning do you expect/hope to produce from a metal bending demonstration? And how does this fit with your overall performance goals - you actual 'ends'?
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Jerome Finley V.I.P. SLC 3419 Posts |
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On 2013-02-16 20:08, TonyB2009 wrote: No, I'm with Bob here and 100% convinced that readings and Q&A (by extension) are *THE* strongest things you can share with a single person, small group or large audience. There's simply nothing else that compares...and for those who wish to remain strictly "mind readers", psychic-flavored readings framed as such continue to do the job rather nicely. Metal bending and feats of PK are rightfully in a category of their own and I find it difficult, if not impossible, to compare the two in terms of impact, value and long term audience-appreciation. I actually STOPPED bending metal for quite some time as it was such a blatant display of power and my own school of thought & preference demands something a lot more subtle. With that in mind, while I continue to bend, melt, twist and permanently disfigure metal of all shapes and sizes these days (coins, keys, spoons, forks, knives, cans, iron nails and steel spikes, etc) I will typically only bend one or two spoons, coins or keys in an entire evening. Metal bending is strong in a different way. J.
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dmoses Inner circle 2261 Posts |
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On 2013-02-16 21:34, mastermindreader wrote: The irony of this being that it's a minor Major effect between major Minor effects. (in a Cassidyian-sense) d
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