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MR.SAGHIBU New user 13 Posts |
Hi,
is there someone that provides some details about tides routine of D.Copperfield ? is the trick his exclusive routine ? is the routine described in any book ? Thanks advance who can help me searching. |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
No - Yes - No.
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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
Right - right - right
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I take it the original poster meant "ties?" and was referring to the dancing tie routine? Unless David did "Soft Soap" with Tide, Cheer, and Duz boxes on a special that I missed.
It is really more satisfying to work up an original trick--or even an original presentation of a trick--than to copy another performer's routine move for move or word for word. Granted that not everyone is creative enough to do that independently, but that's why we network and brainstorm with each other, just as David Copperfield brainstorms with his staff. It should be pointed out, too, that David makes a conscious effort to do something that makes other magicians sit up and take notice and get back in touch with our own sense of wonder. If your goal in life is to entertain the lay public and make _them_ "sit up and take notice," you can do that with the classics--if you present them well and entertainingly and with a touch of your own personality and ingenuity. Many times a trick sits unnoticed in a magic book or on a magic shop shelf until one or two innovative magicians take it and go beyond the published description or printed instructions and makes it something special. That's what happened, for instance, with "Card Warp." it started IIRC with Busby's "Through the Fourth Dimension" and Roy Walton streamlined it into the classic that it is today. Come to think of it, if the original question _did_ refer to Tide--maybe it's time to take "Soft Soap" out and re-discover it! Or apply the patter principle to other products besides laundry detergent. Remember how people used to buy laundry detergent to get a premium like a dinner plate out of the box? How about "Signed Card to Cracker Jacks Box" (or Cracker Jacks Bag since I don't think they make them in boxes any more). ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
Can t agree more !!!!!!!!!!!!11
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
IIRC, David learned about Paul Harris's "Cardboard Connection" before it was marketed and I think worked out an agreement with Paul so that the trick would not be released to the general magic public until David had performed it on one of his TV specials. Once Paul did release the trick, I'm sure it sold like the proverbial hot cakes. I think Timothy Wenks's "Misled" was another commercially available trick that for the most part went under the radar until David did it on TV.
Don Wayne's "Top 10" and "Floating Ball" are other examples of tricks that David's creative team developed for the specials and which later were released to the magic-buying public. ("Top 10" is a direct descendant of the McCombical Prediction Decks.) Sometimes I peruse old magic catalogs and books (from the 60's and before) looking for overlooked gems. I remember seeing Bob Hummer's Whirlaway Card in some old catalogs and ordered it. It's another great effect that I gave my own touch to and amazed other magicians with. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Sonny, check out YouTube, there is an effect David Copperfield did called "Tides", It is an appearing water in a glass, finale is a number of goldfish production, all from a cloth.
Oh heck, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b1CW59zb1g |
Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
As young david says at the end "That was beautiful!". Thanks for that link Bill I had totally forgotten that routine.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
Thanks for the link, Bill.
I guess I missed the special when David performed that effect--or it evaporated from my memory. I also see that there was a previous discussion about this routine on the Café: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=7&44 And here's a clip of Dick Barry performing it at The Magic Castle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo78vKy__M4 Dick sells the routine at his website http://dickbarrymagic.com/cgi-bin/web_st......match=on so I take it that Dick is the originator. But the "tides patter" looks to be exclusive to David Copperfield. It's a nice, poignant routine. I would think some other patter line could easily be developed. Something on the order of life originating in the sea maybe. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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MR.SAGHIBU New user 13 Posts |
Hi All,
before thanks for reply, sorry for confusion but i'am referring to effect that Bill came out. I already use some fishes in my perform and my question was to know the technic of that trick to improve my trick. I wanted to know if the trick was exclusive of Copperfiel because I can suppose that it was already been released to magic community like normally it happen (without loss of value we are not discussing about a big illusion .....). thanks again luigi |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Whether a David Copperfield is a large illusion or a small trick, it is not okay to duplicate the effect.
If you read the references given by Sonny, you will note the trick may have been created by Chris Kenner and Homer Liwag for David Copperfield. Nothing is definite on this. The trick is not commercially available in any form, what some have mentioned is other tricks that could be substituted for the Copperfield trick. A very few of David Copperfield's tricks have been marketed, usually close up tricks. It is the originator that usually does this, not David Copperfield. |
Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I think the relationship between an effect's creator and the performer who made it famous is analogous to the relationship between a songwriter and the singer who makes a song famous. In many cases, most people don't know who the songwriter is and frequently the public thinks the singer wrote the song.
(The most ironic song and songwriter curiosity is the Barry Manilow hit "I Write the Songs." Barry wrote many popular hits, but "I Write the Songs" was actually written by Bruce Johnston, one of "The Beach Boys.") I still think magic needs a definitive book on the creators of magic. There is a great chapter about exactly that in Will Dexter's _Everybody's Book of Magic_ called "They Make the Magic!" It hints at legends in magic like the mysterious "Martin" who invented a version of "The Rising Cards" that is apparently the stuff of legends. The chapter includes information about Al Koran, Billy McComb... Then there's Bob Towner, who devised some of the great illusions for Mark Wilson's "Magic Land of Allakazam!" And then there's Christian Fechner, whose barstool levitation was the credited basis for another illusion on one of David Copperfield's TV specials. There's also Walter "Zaney" Blaney. I didn't mean to get off on a tangent. Is there a section of the Café devoted to "Inventors of Magic?" There's a section called "The Workshop," but that seems to be devoted to _building_ magic, not inventing it. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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