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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
As a person in general I like him. I like the way a lot of his illusions are presented in original and different ways.
I don´t like the fact that he blows his own horn too much, usually saying that his illusions are original and never attempted before. Anyone with a little knowledge of magic knows that´s no true. I HATE the abuse of s.....s and e......g he keeps using in his program. He gets mixed reviews from the public. Either they hate him or they love him. In the end that´s what networks are looking for I guess. I hope to catch a live show sometime. Then I´ll have a more educated opinion. |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I don't like him at all. First of all he takes himsekf soo seriously.. even Copperfield he makes fun of himself.
But nainly I don;t like him because he tries to be different but not in depth. Only with his look and doing "different" effects. This is a very superficial way to be original. If you are really original, this is a result because you are special, you do not try to hard to show it to everyone. And I don't feel he loves magic. I think he loves what he get from it. Im sorry but this is my opinion. Tommy Wonder for me gave FAR more new things to magic comparing to hime. And he was original without really focus on that. |
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airship Inner circle In my day, I have driven 1594 Posts |
Almost cut my hair.
It happened just the other day. It's gettin kinda long. I coulda said it was in my way. But I didn't and I wonder why. I feel like letting my freak flag fly. Cause I feel like I owe it to someone...
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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SnakeBabe New user Las Vegas 90 Posts |
Men with long hair Rock!
That’s all I want to add to this... Hugs and Hissessss, Maria |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
I personally enjoy Mindfreak and Criss Angel's particular brand of magic. Sure, most of the time it's TV magic and a lot of it is just as cheesy as anything from Blaine - but I love that Angel makes it look like true magic. He brings a uniqueness to a world of streamlined effects and cliched magicians. I for one actually find the show entertaining, thus I try not to miss an episode. Can't wait to see what Sankey's input on the Mindfreak series is going to bring about on Season 3, it should be interesting.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
He makes it look like true magic? My critisizm of him is he accomplishes the exact opposite.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I heard Maryln Manson is building a new show with some magic setup by Rudy Colby.
:) Why settle for the inspired when you can see the inspiration?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I like the fact that he is doing magic on TV and getting good ratings. How many magicians have done a series and been renewed twice. So, those in the real business must know something. He has attracted "The Firm" to represent him (they handle stars like DeCaprio, etc.).
And he's building a multi million dollar real live stage show for a Las Vegas showroom In addition, I have worked for him on two occasions, he is very thoughtful and cares a lot about those that work for and with him, cares a lot about his fans and spends time with them and he pays his bills promptly (rare among magicians). And off camera he is a really nice guy.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
Yeah Pete, that´s what I was talking about. As a person he is very nice and cool. No question about that. And definitely he has at least made the public interested again in TV Magic. His methods can be a topic for another discussion. But there is no question that he has brought the interest to the general public back.
I am not surprised that "The Firm" has signed him. He is, from a business stand point, a "sure thing". And that´s why the newtork has agreed to a third season of his program. The all mighty ratings. I will be glad to see his live stage show in Vegas in the future. If you add the Cirque du Soleil atmosphere to it, it should be a great success. Once we see him performing live, I think a lot of his critics (starting with me), will learn to see him in a different light. My only concern with the show is where will they draw the line on pure "magic" and stage special effects that Cirque uses. Do you know if there is a timetable for it yet? |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
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On 2006-12-12 15:40, Dannydoyle wrote: What I mean is that through his use of stooges and total set-ups, he appears to be impromptu and appears to create stage illusions out in the middle of the streets, totally surrounded and under impossible conditions. To a lay audience watching on TV, this looks like true magic. There are no apparent tricks, stage apparatus, lighting, concealments, etc. For me, Angel performs effects in the manner that they would look if done for real. If he needs to use stooges/set ups/TV magic to accomplish it, then so be it. I love what he has done for magic in the eyes of the public. |
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
There´s fooling the audience and there is "fooling" the audience. I think audiences are getting more sophisticated every time. It keeps getting harder and harder to "fool" them.
There is a thin line dividing where you "fool" the audience in the name of entertainment, and fooling the audience to the point of actually disrespecting it. I think CA has crossed this line more than once. |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Jazz, you could'nt describe it better.Completely agree. He could do anything to achieve the effect(stooges , cam. tricks etc). He don't respect the audience and he don't respect the history and tradition of magic.
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
I wonder who might attack me for saying this but here goes:
Magic is intended as entertainment and is typically a performing art. Angel reaches his audience through a televsion instead of a live show setting when on Mindfreak, and thus he has the ability to create illusions/effects based in a whole new set of rules. I cannot see how this is "crossing the line" or "disrespecting" an audience. His show gets good ratings, and a majority of the public obviously enjoy the show, whether or not they think he uses camera tricks, stooges, whatever. It may be assuming too much of the average layperson, but I believe most people can separate whatever method they assume he might be using from the perceived effect. If people felt disrespected by his magic, they wouldn't watch. His show entertains and that is why it is not only on TV, but it has been picked up for a third season. I'm expecting some heat for this so go right ahead, fire away! |
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
"His show entertains and that is why it is not only on TV, but it has been picked up for a third season. "
So in your opinion the criterion is to have succesful TV specials and broadcastings. But the same thing is for horribly cheesy and mean reality shows and anything that in a certain way attracts people attention. "I cannot see how this is "crossing the line" or "disrespecting" an audience" Sorry but if you can't understand how he does it after all these clear explanations I can't explain it better. |
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
Brian, no heat. These are only opinions. I´m not trying to convince you or anyone. It is simply my point of view.
However, following your line of thought, then movies with special effects like Star Wars can also be considered magic. The final effect is the same and people are more than entertained. If I go to see Star Wars, I expect special effects, camera tricks, etc. But if I see a magician I expect exactly the opposite. I still expect to be "fooled" but by totally different means. That´s why magic on TV is so hard to accomplish. I have said it before. As a TV program Mindfreak is good entertainment. CA is a good entertainer. But I don´t know if he would classify as a good magician. Not working like that. Probably when he gets his live stage show, I´ll be prooved wrong. Actually I hope to. By disrespecting audiences, there are several examples. For instance, when he stresses out all along that nothing has been prepared or prearranged and we all know it has. He keeps saying that his illusions are originals and never before attempted. Well, that´s plain lying. They may be presented in new ways, but by no means they are new. He is also disrespecting the magic community with statements like that. Just a thought. Remember John Edwards the "psychic"? He has a succesful TV program. Is he a hit? Of course not, he is a fraud. Still he has his own TV show. So to actually have your own TV show you don´t necessarily have to have a succesfull or up and up content. As long as it has good ratings, so be it! Just as Juliano said, see the reality shows that are nothing but b*******! Yet they have the higher ratings. |
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BrianMillerMagic Inner circle CT 2050 Posts |
Those are good points. He does not classify as a good "magician" in the sense of the word that we usually think about it.
One thing that I've thought about with regard to this subject however is the fact that at one point magic made the move from the streets to the stage, somewhere in the mid to late 1800s (I believe that's accurate but correct my dates if it's not). The point is that magicians began using this new medium of performing to their advantage; they used stage props, machinery, trap doors, stooges from the audience, etc. Is this so much different than Angel taking the properties of a television show and using them to his advantage? Still you have a good argument about Star Wars. Perhaps Obi Wan is the greatest magician of our time! |
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
Good point about the art of magic moved from the street to the stage in the 1800´s. And that´s one thing I´ll conceed to CA, having brought back magic to the streets. Still, he´s hardly the first one or only one doing it. I give him credit for making lay people again more interested in magic. I think there was a void in TV regarding magic ever since David Copperfield stopped doing TV specials.
There are several unwritten rules about magic. And one of them is what it´s aloud and what isn´t. Props, trap doors, lightning, machinery, stooges, gimmicks, smoke, lovely assistants, etc. are ok. They have been used from the very beginning. Camera cuts, TV editing, etc. is completely out of the question. Why? Because you couldn´t recreate it live. I don´t think that the end result justifies the means. As I said before performing magic for TV is very hard. Just take a look at previous and vintage TV performances. David Copperfield, Doug Henning, Harry Blackstone, Lance Burton more recently. Their success was that you got the feeling that whatever you saw on your TV was what the live audience was seeing. Yes you were fooled, but you appreciated being fooled. It left a good feeling. Can you say that about MF? And you´re right: Obi Wan is the greatest of our time. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Angel? Don't know him personally.
His magic? Highly unethical. Posted: Dec 14, 2006 5:36pm It saddens me me that a well- known otherwise respected magician or two would lend his name to this kind of thing. |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Magicfish, they are all feeding at the same trough. My respect for them has disappeared because of this.
Of course, what do they care about our opinions of them. We're just small fry.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Jazz Veteran user Mexico City 377 Posts |
Free publicity guys
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