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benhart New user 65 Posts |
There has been an ongoing debate on the way the 3 shell game should be presented by the magician.
Some think it should be kept the way it was originally designed as a con game, where the magician does a show and tell on how the con man played the 3 shell game to steal your money. Some others believe there are other ways to perform the shell game with more surprise and more hands on involvement with the spectators. As a magician I have found using both has worked very well for me. With the spectator being more involved in the game and adding more surprises will bring more entertainment, than just the standard show and tell of the 3 shell game. |
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Stephon Johnson Special user Razorback Country 544 Posts |
As far as I'm concerned, it's the same as cups n balls; just different props.
Although I know most CNB routines do not involve much spectator involvement (other than verbal) the more you involve the spectator, the better! (If done right) Get other performers input by having them act as spectator and give you input.
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
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On 2013-03-04 22:30, benhart wrote: Personally I've never cared for the presentations that are "warnings" to the audience. They just seem condescending. |
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martysh Special user Greenville,SC 522 Posts |
I have done this for such a long time and in my street work it has evolved into something special which chases away all your concerns... what I do is pit a 4 or 5 or 6 year old shy kid against a smart teen ager ..or move the age up with the audience at the moment .. the younger always wins and the older always loses especially when the older has his finger on the shell and it still is not there as he thought... I end with the glass over the shell to fool all and make it more of a trick..
I might encourage you to try this make the innocent the winner and the smart alec the ... it sure is fun and ...in the meantime becomes very entertaining for all Marty |
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benhart New user 65 Posts |
I use the same handling, with the young and the old. With the kids I use a set of bright yellow monkey shells, that I bought at 3shells.com and the kids go crazy over them when I work kid parties.
The parents most the time, even get involved after watching. I will let the kids win, but not the parents. I found that the parent never have a problem in losing, as long as the kids are having fun. Because the party is for them and if the kids are having fun they are too. I have many different type of shells now, for just about any occasion. I have perform the shell game for some time but never used them regularly. I was displaying it as a show and tell, that did not feel right for me. Now that I have explored new fun ways to present the shell game, I find that it can fit in most situations for some real entertaining fun. |
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charliemartin Special user Rapid City, SD 779 Posts |
Go on YouTube and watch a master at it..Bob Sheets.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Sheets AND Phil Cass... unbelievable duo.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
I don't present the shellgame as a con game.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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sadhu Regular user 123 Posts |
I've learned my three shell routine from the
Bob's 3 Shell Boot Camp DVD by Bob Sheets and Glen Morphew. The three shell game routine never cease to please the crowd, their reactions to the three shells were so similar to the cups and balls. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
My audiences reaction to the three shell game is not anything like the reaction I get when I do the cups and balls. They are two different tricks and the reactions to them are very different.
Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
I think the audience’s reaction to either one depends on how well one is presented. If you present one better than the other, the one presented the best will get a better reaction. This is only common sense.
But I have performed both and I agreed, the shell game can get just as big of an audience reaction or even more in some cases when the audience can get involved. As with the cups & balls there are very little hands on audience involvement. From reading another one of your posts, in my opinion you have not taken the shell game that serious or you wouldn't be using sponge balls with the shells. I think the standard shell game has too many clues on how it done in the first place. But a sponge ball is a no brainier on how the ball gets out of the shell. But this is only my opinion.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2013-04-04 15:59, shellgame-al wrote: Here is me doing the shellgame using a small sponge ball at the magic castle. I hope you get as much fun and entertainment value out of your routine as I do with my routine. http://www.mrhypnotist.org/video/shellgameglennbishops.wmv Over the years I have seen a lot of magicians do the shellgame and in my opinion most of the routines I have seen magicians do flop one way or another. Just my opinion.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
Please don't take me wrong, I am not saying you are not a good performer. People are polite in places like the Magic Castle, but that does not mean they don't know what is happening and that makes a difference in their reaction to the shell game. In areas like a bar scene they are not so polite they can eat you alive.
What I see with many magicians wanting to perform the shell game, is they look for the easiest tools for them to do it. Not what is harder for the spectator to figure out, like they would do with other magic tricks. Yes, I hear it all the time, “it is not a magic trick, it is a con game”. Well if you are performing it for entertainment as a magician, to me it is a magic trick. The only time it is a con game, is when it is played for money as a con. In my thinking the magician needs to look at the shell game as another magic trick, that does not come with all the visual clues. For the spectator it is a magic trick and when you get a big reaction from your audience, it is because they were totally fooled on what they had just seen.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2013-04-04 22:27, shellgame-al wrote: And I have performed the shellgame using the sponge ball as a pea in bars and night clubs in front of audiences that will "eat you alive" for years and years. And I have been most likely doing that longer than you yourself have been performing magic. I have done the shellgame thousands of times - never once had an audience say "hey that is a sponge pea" that shows me how it works". Also Frank Garcia used a sponge pea cut from green sponge rubber as a pea. Frank Garcia is a legend in magic and wrote one of the best books on the shellgame. And I feel it is worth reading for anyone that wants to learn the shellgame. Quote:
On 2013-04-04 22:27, shellgame-al wrote: I also do not insult another magicians choice in method and props just because I choose not to go the way that he may choose to go in his or her choice in method and props. So in other words I do not sell shellgame sets - peas - pea holders, PK rings, or any other kinds of props for the shellgame. My choice to perform the shellgame are the most basic of props. That is a good set of shells (that I do not make) and a small sponge ball for a pea. And a shot glass. And with these basic props and my routine I can entertain a room full of people. Behind a bar for an audience that would "eat some performers alive" (Laughing) - to shows at the magic castle or any other venue. The magic castle is A place that has "magicians" in the audience that in a way can "eat the magician performer alive" in a way that in my opinion that if one has not experienced performing there - they may not get that. Quote:
On 2013-04-04 22:27, shellgame-al wrote: I don't really care if some people think it is a con game or if some people think it is a trick. I am a magician and my job is to perform and entertain for the agreed upon time at the agreed upon time. And the shells are just one of many things I use to entertain an audience. Quote:
On 2013-04-04 22:27, shellgame-al wrote: I am not after "fooling" people when I perform magic. I am more after amazement and the magic effect of that the audience can't figure out the magic and can't explain it other than it "must have been - or could have been - or could not have been done other than magic". And as I said above - I hope you get the fun and entertainment value with your choice of props and routine that I have gotten for years and years using my routine and my set of shells, a shot glass and my small sponge ball I use as a pea. Cheers!
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
I did not insult you; I just gave my opinion on all the visual clues in the shell game. That is why I started making my own magic tools that are made to a higher standard. Others have asked me if I would make something for them for the same reasons. That is what I sale, quality magic items for the modern times without the clues and rules. I also have Frank Garcia’s book, as well as many others. But this is the modern world. I am sure I am older then you. You said you did not get the same reaction with the shell game, as with the cups and balls. I thought maybe, because there were visual clues. Like the sponge ball.
To each he's own. I like getting different opinions; it makes us grow, even if you do not agree with them. Best to you
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Max T. Oz Regular user 198 Posts |
The nice thing about the shell game is it is so adaptable. 2 people or 200, indoor or outdoor, serious or cheeky.....it can all work well.
For what it's worth, an example of it being performed outdoors for a larger crowd. Shell game starts at 1:05. And yes that's me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1mMFIYBBiI |
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
Very good Max! I enjoyed that. Thanks for sharing it. Well done.
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Max T. Oz Regular user 198 Posts |
Thank you for the kind words, Al.
I just had a look at your website and I was pretty impressed. Your Wander Table looks amazing!!!!! Cheers, Max |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2013-04-05 16:19, shellgame-al wrote: Oh really? Here is what you said... Quote:
On 2013-04-04 15:59, shellgame-al wrote: So anyone that uses a sponge pea like Frank Garcia is not taking the shellgame serious or they would not be using the sponge balls (I use a single sponge ball as a pea by the way) with the shells? As I said above I don't insult another magicians choice of props or their technique. My age is also 56 and I have been performing this routine with the shellgame before 1975. And again I hope you get as much entertainment value and fun with your choice of props and techniques as I do out of my choice of the shells - shot glass - and single sponge ball.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
Producer of the DVD Punch Deal Pro Publisher of Glenn Bishop's Ace Cutting And Block Transfer Triumphs |
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shellgame-al Veteran user Arizona, USA 352 Posts |
Glen Bishop; I Do enjoy my props and I am glad you enjoy yours.
Manufacture of 3 Shell Game Sets & 3 Disk Monte Sets
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