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On 2013-03-12 16:05, tomsk192 wrote: I was referring to this: "you'll find that people will share anything these days," which appears to be a "dig" at my effect. What is your point? Do you really think I'm oblivious to people torrenting Mobius? I've written about it several times in these discussions. What are you getting at?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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On 2013-03-12 16:05, tomsk192 wrote: |
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Do they share your views on IP?
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bonesly Regular user London 176 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:05, gdw wrote: Don't understand what point you are trying to prove, both things are wrong and illegal. Are saying its RIGHT to do these things? |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:11, tomsk192 wrote: How the hell should I know?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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Take a wild guess.
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts
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Why are there only two threads on this? Something this serious should have at least4-5 threads going.
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BatsMagic Inner circle New York 1052 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:05, tomsk192 wrote: I haven't had the time to check that out yet, but I will when I get home from work. Maybe gdw doesn't care about it, but I'll bet that Blue Crown does! |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:19, Zombie Magic wrote: I'd say so M. Le Zombie. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:12, bonesly wrote: No, actually, they are not both illegal. It is not "illegal" to have sex outside of marriage, at least not in all states. Also, the legality of it is irrelevant. The POINT is that, despite of what I agree to in a contract, that does not change what RIGHTS I possess. I still own my body, and my rights over it can not be separated from that. I can agree to, or not to do whatever I choose, that doesn't make my rights disappear. If I make an agreement with my wife not to get a tattoo, do you believe I magically loose the right to get a tattoo? If I agree to not speak, does that mean my right to free speech has vanished? If I do in fact OWN a copy of a song, which is what Andrew has said, then I possess all rights associated with ownership. I can agree to not exercise those rights, and I can, in that agreement, also commit to consequences should I break that agreement. However that has no bearing on whether or not I still have those rights, it only has bearing on what I have agreed to, or not to, do.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:16, tomsk192 wrote: I honestly do not know. Individuals have different views, and I cannot speak to the views of each of the individuals involved in any sites which host torrents. Some may be opposed to IP law, some may actually be of the opinion that file sharing is wrong, but do it anyway. I am not them, so I don't know. What is your point?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:20, BatsMagic wrote: And that is entirely up to them. I do not speak for them, we are individuals, and we each have our own views. In the end, it does not seem to have done us any real harm, as, well, let's just say at least I have been very pleased with sales. As I said, people who value it will be willing to pay for it, despite it being available elsewhere.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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Let me rephrase it, in very simple terms:
Do you feel your views on IP are consistent with the person or persons unknown who having purchased your release, The Möbius Switch, chose to share that material for free on the Internet? If the answer is no, could you explain why? |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts
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Good question Tom.
Glenn's response will be very telling in terms of the character of the man.
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bonesly Regular user London 176 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:23, gdw wrote: Wrong, wrong, wrong. Once you have entered an agreement you have assigned all your RIGHTS to copy any material on that CD. So NO based on your agreement you no longer have those rights to copy. Whether you choose to ignore your agreement is irrelevant and illegal. And you cannot just ignore the Law that is the only common ground we can base our morals on, otherwise everyone would just go about doing whatever they felt like doing and we would have a dysfunctional society. |
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You're just arguing semantics now. Do I think you have the RIGHT to? No? Do the courts think you have the RIGHT to? No. Do IP lawyers, record companies, publishing houses, movie studios, and a countless number of artists think you have the RIGHT to? No. I work in the entertainment industry, I deal with this stuff every single day. Trust me when I tell you that the people in my industry, myself included, do not believe you completely own a CD or a movie when you buy it. Why don't you try taking a camera into a movie theater and recording the whole thing? Go ahead, give that a shot and see how the management responds. I'll be interested in their response when you claim that you bought a ticket and therefore own the "right" to do whatever you want with the movie. It's illegal for a reason.
Then again you're the guy who's against laws and government in general so I can't expect you to understand what the hard working people in this industry have known for decades. We create the material, and it's OUR right to tell you what you can and can't do with it. Your problem is you want the material and the free reign to do what you please with it. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Maybe one day you'll grow up and understand what the rest of us are talking about, but I won't hold my breath.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:30, tomsk192 wrote: People are individuals, so I have no clue as to the motives of an individual uploading a copy of Mobius Switch. I'm not trying to avoid answering, or being intentionally obtuse. I know for a fact that many people who have downloaded material, and uploaded material, support the the premise behind IP law. I also know there are people who do the same, and do NOT support the premises behind IP law. I honestly cannot tell you what position the majority hold. That's not me being naive. People do things for different reasons. I know some have done it out of convenience, others out of spite for over priced products, others as a duck you to companies, or bands, etc, with whom they took issue over their actions, or policies. I also know that people who actively fight for IP protectionism, while passing around files and torrents. Many of the big music and movie corporations have thousands downloaded files and torrents being passed around their offices, and not just by the employees. These are the people in charge of companies doing this. They similarly have, and use, plenty of similarly acquired computer programs. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/02/h......try.html So, my answer is, I don't know. Perhaps you could just move on to your point?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts
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I was hoping to lead you to a place where you see the point. Hope springs eternal.
It reminds me of Dorothy Parker's response when challenged to coin an epigram using the word "horticulture". "You can lead a horticulture," she replied, "But you can't make her think." Goodnight, gdw. |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts
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On 2013-03-12 16:46, Jamie Ferguson wrote: I was right. Now I know everything I need to know.
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