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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Nevertheless it was a horrible thing to say. It is not a moot point, gdw.
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
It was horrible. So was Russell Davidson saying "Let's all pray Brian Bushwood lights himself on fire with his fire eating"
I also saw a thread in which Russell Davidson said Hitler had some good ideas. Nice guy this Russell Davidson fellow. James Quote: On 2013-03-09 20:05, tomsk192 wrote:
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©NathanaelBergenMagic Regular user Warszawa, Poland 105 Posts |
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Actually, no one was making light of cancer. The post which brought cancer was doing so to point out the wrong in wishing harm, as done by a previous poster, whom most seem to have completely ignored in favour of taking the cancer reference completely out of context. I didn't ignore anything - the very fact that someone made a 'joke' regarding cancer, even sarcastically to prove a point to another member's comment, is still making light of it. I didn't take it out of context - I was merely pointing out that it should never have been said in the first place on a forum for the discussion of magic, even to prove a point. EDIT: Also, not to mention the comment about him lighting himself on fire. Regardless if he exposed a method, wishing someone harm (seriously or sarcastically) with fire or cancer is in poor taste and potentially (or in this case, successfully) offensive to others. I'm not saying we have to be over the top with our public correctness, I'm just saying when we're discussing magic on a forum for magic, let's leave the flaming and ill'wishing to other's health aside.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-09 20:19, ©NathanaelBergenMagic wrote: It wasn't a "joke." There's the issue then. "Lets stop posting about this idiot Brushwood & start praying he sets himself alight with his fire eating." "And I hope you get cancer... AND DIE! (That doesn't feel good does it? Think before you drink.)" The last line could be considered a joke/insult, but it is not built upon the cancer reference. The cancer reference made a serious point, not humour in there at all. Then the insult at the end was adding 'you're an idiot' as a tag. Unless Stucky indicates otherwise of his intentions, then any "joke" seen is only one inferred.
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Nothing out of context. I found it rather insulting that it had to be referenced. It's also rather insulting tat anyone would wish the guy harm.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yes.
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bonesly Regular user London 176 Posts |
I agree its inappropriate and an insult
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
That is one way of putting it.
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1313 Posts |
Exposure is wrong. He is making money with inventions that are not his. He does not respect creators. I think it’s cheap! But I think if he had not taken the job they would have found someone else to do it. So at the end I think the network is to blame the most…
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Stucky Inner circle I'm Batman! 1355 Posts |
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It wasn't a "joke." There's the issue then. Yes not a joke at all. I was going to an extreme to make a point. Anyone ever read Johnathan Swift? (It's good thing the internet wasn't around when he was alive. Sheesh.)
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
That only works when an extreme is needed to get the point across. In this case there was no need and it just insulted members here who are battling cancer each and every day
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Matt Adams Special user Harvest, AL 827 Posts |
Ok guys, maybe it's cause my family has battled cancer longer than many of you (since the 1990's) but the comment wasn't THAT insulting...it wasn't funny, but they were saying things to make a point. The original "die" comment wasn't very nice, but we are online after all - the glorious place folks can speak as cruel as they like with minimal consequences. :-P But still - making a point. I would seriously doubt any of us wish he would get set on fire for revealing an ID. Sheesh.
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©NathanaelBergenMagic Regular user Warszawa, Poland 105 Posts |
Regardless if they're jokes, attempts at making points, sarcasm, extremes, whatever - they weren't needed.
Saying things like: "Lets stop posting about this idiot Brushwood & start praying he sets himself alight with his fire eating." "And I hope you get cancer... AND DIE! (That doesn't feel good does it? Think before you drink.)" Are not okay. I'm aware we're on the internet, therefore people can say whatever they want without fear consequences - but it needs to be considered that we're on a MAGIC DISCUSSION FORUM, specifically. We have rules here we're expected to follow: "Staying on topic is a must here at the Café. Personal attacks or insulting opinions and statements regarding other posters can not and will not be tolerated." I'm aware this is directed towards members at members, but I think we can safely say this may relate to flaming people NOT on the Café as well. The topic was "Who is Brian Brushwood" - NOT let's start wishing he lights himself on fire or compare him to Hitler. (Even if said comments were made sarcastically). While talk like that is expected/encouraged on youtube comments or wherever your chosen venue for inappropriate comments may be - this isn't the place. We were answering the question of a fellow member as to who Brian Brushwood was. While his career choices (exposure) were expected to arise and discussion thereafter was encouraged, these "jokes" and "points" and "extremes" were just not. Considering we have a magician most of us look up to, and others call friend, ACTUALLY get lit on fire. I don't think we should be wishing it on others, even sarcastically - - And, in turn, that wish should not be met with a comment hoping said member gets cancer, even to prove an extreme. I'm not saying that shouldn't be said - I'm saying that shouldn't be said on THIS magic forum. There's a time and a place - this may be the time, but this isn't the place.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2013-03-10 07:05, Stucky wrote: You compare yourself to Swift? "Sheesh". |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-10 10:46, tomsk192 wrote: Wow, the eagerness to jump on everything and infer your own conclusions rather that seeing what is the obvious intent.
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
My wife's grandmother recently died . . . of old age. Next time anyone mentioned age, I'm loosing it!
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Oh do give over.
Jonathan Swift didn't offend many people who had cannibalised their children. Nor did he trivialise giants or minute 6" high people. Swiftian satire is rather more than saying "get cancer". You really are being a boor. My grandmother died with dementia last year, but the only irritating thing about your post was your misspelling. |
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Alan Rorrison V.I.P. 2494 Posts |
Well the cancer comment did offend. If he's had the right to say it. We have a right to raise point!
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On 2013-03-10 12:00, gdw wrote: Y'know, its ok to sometimes apologize. I screw up all the time and own up to it when I realize it. Its a good thing.
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©NathanaelBergenMagic Regular user Warszawa, Poland 105 Posts |
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On 2013-03-10 12:00, gdw wrote: You've clearly missed the point, let me clear things up for you: I don't think you have any reason to 'loose' it if someone mentions old age - but if someone wishes another member to die from it while discussing a magician's career, even to prove an extreme point, I think then you might have grounds for offense.
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