On 2013-03-08 16:34, gdw wrote:
First, I would argue there is a difference, and it's actually that the pitchman is almost exclusively targeting laymen, where as Scam School is being watched by people who, by the very act it watching, have shown an interest in the subject material, and learning it.
Not saying the pitchman's audience isn't showing interest, but he isn't targeting "magicians," where as Brushwood's show is geared towards people interested on performing what he teaches.

On 2013-03-08 16:05, Don Dasher wrote:
Although I didn't make the comment, it should be pointed out that the cancer comment was to make a point about a previous tasteless comment relating to Brian being burned alive.

I guess I'm the only one who noticed that.

The original comment about being burned was in poor taste. And I'm no prude.

I happen to know someone who was burned alive. How does that relate? Just the facts please.


DD

On 2013-03-08 20:02, Don Dasher wrote:
I wouldn't compare Brushwood to Penn and Teller as much as I would compare him to someone else nobody liked for a long time...

Hitler. I would compare Brian Brushwood to Adolf Hitler.


DD

On 2013-03-08 17:07, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 16:34, gdw wrote:
First, I would argue there is a difference, and it's actually that the pitchman is almost exclusively targeting laymen, where as Scam School is being watched by people who, by the very act it watching, have shown an interest in the subject material, and learning it.
Not saying the pitchman's audience isn't showing interest, but he isn't targeting "magicians," where as Brushwood's show is geared towards people interested on performing what he teaches.

Now that's a good point there...didn't think about Brian's "target" audience. It's actually not the public at large (such as the Masked Moron).
(Obviously still rather him not expose...but you got a point there.)

On 2013-03-08 20:26, gdw wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 17:07, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 16:34, gdw wrote:
First, I would argue there is a difference, and it's actually that the pitchman is almost exclusively targeting laymen, where as Scam School is being watched by people who, by the very act it watching, have shown an interest in the subject material, and learning it.
Not saying the pitchman's audience isn't showing interest, but he isn't targeting "magicians," where as Brushwood's show is geared towards people interested on performing what he teaches.

Now that's a good point there...didn't think about Brian's "target" audience. It's actually not the public at large (such as the Masked Moron).
(Obviously still rather him not expose...but you got a point there.)

Wow, thanks. Sorry, that's just incredible to see, especially in an online discussion, lol.

On 2013-03-09 08:27, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 20:26, gdw wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 17:07, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 16:34, gdw wrote:
First, I would argue there is a difference, and it's actually that the pitchman is almost exclusively targeting laymen, where as Scam School is being watched by people who, by the very act it watching, have shown an interest in the subject material, and learning it.
Not saying the pitchman's audience isn't showing interest, but he isn't targeting "magicians," where as Brushwood's show is geared towards people interested on performing what he teaches.

Now that's a good point there...didn't think about Brian's "target" audience. It's actually not the public at large (such as the Masked Moron).
(Obviously still rather him not expose...but you got a point there.)

Wow, thanks. Sorry, that's just incredible to see, especially in an online discussion, lol.

LOL. I know some folks argue just to argue. But that's incredibly foolish if you ask me. It's extremely unlikely that the "other side" has NO valid points. How ludicrous (and arrogant) to think we have the all the answers! You are also right, unfortunately, in that this is very rare online. But it's also rare in "real life" - people just don't want to say "You're right"

But they should! Heck, the moment I find out something I'm believing isn't quite spot-on, I'm changing that to follow Truth.

Unfortunately, Truth is hard for many people to recognize. :-P

On 2013-03-09 11:01, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
I never change my mind.

Actually, yes I do.

On 2013-03-09 11:00, gdw wrote:

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On 2013-03-09 08:27, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 20:26, gdw wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 17:07, Matt Adams wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 16:34, gdw wrote:
First, I would argue there is a difference, and it's actually that the pitchman is almost exclusively targeting laymen, where as Scam School is being watched by people who, by the very act it watching, have shown an interest in the subject material, and learning it.
Not saying the pitchman's audience isn't showing interest, but he isn't targeting "magicians," where as Brushwood's show is geared towards people interested on performing what he teaches.

Now that's a good point there...didn't think about Brian's "target" audience. It's actually not the public at large (such as the Masked Moron).
(Obviously still rather him not expose...but you got a point there.)

Wow, thanks. Sorry, that's just incredible to see, especially in an online discussion, lol.

LOL. I know some folks argue just to argue. But that's incredibly foolish if you ask me. It's extremely unlikely that the "other side" has NO valid points. How ludicrous (and arrogant) to think we have the all the answers! You are also right, unfortunately, in that this is very rare online. But it's also rare in "real life" - people just don't want to say "You're right"

But they should! Heck, the moment I find out something I'm believing isn't quite spot-on, I'm changing that to follow Truth.

Unfortunately, Truth is hard for many people to recognize. :-P

That is such a wonderful, and refreshing attitude to see, and you're roht, sadly seen rarely in real life too.
It can be wonderful to change your mind.

On 2013-03-08 20:02, Don Dasher wrote:
Hitler. I would compare Brian Brushwood to Adolf Hitler.

On 2013-03-08 16:38, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
There are 54,000 registered members of The Magic Café, and already 1500 views in this thread that isn't even two pages. All of you who are worried about exposure? This is a PUBLIC forum with the same potential numbers as Brushwood has on YouTube, via Google searching. You're doing the exact same thing that he did: drawing attention to a major secret in a public forum. And yet... only magicians care.

On 2013-03-09 17:12, ©NathanaelBergenMagic wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 20:02, Don Dasher wrote:
Hitler. I would compare Brian Brushwood to Adolf Hitler.

Godwin's Law. You're done here; move along.



So, only 3 pages in, and I've already had to endure someone making light of cancer (my mother has cancer, fyi - and I'm sure I'm not the only one with a connection) and someone saying that Brushwood revealing the ID is bad enough that he should be compared to being Hitler (take notice of my location, you'll see why I'm offended).


I've seen a lot of threads around here go on much longer than they should have - this is definitely one of them.
The OP got his answer; it should have ended there. And now the more comments and replies on here only make this thread more and more worthless.


Before commenting further, read this:

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On 2013-03-08 16:38, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
There are 54,000 registered members of The Magic Café, and already 1500 views in this thread that isn't even two pages. All of you who are worried about exposure? This is a PUBLIC forum with the same potential numbers as Brushwood has on YouTube, via Google searching. You're doing the exact same thing that he did: drawing attention to a major secret in a public forum. And yet... only magicians care.

Then do yourself a favour, and just turn elsewhere. There's nothing to see here besides grumpy ol' men making horribly tasteless jokes and others bickering over 'ethics'.


I'm just as upset about Brushwood revealing the ID - but posting here, and raising this threads "Googlibility", is only doing more harm than good.

(Bear in mind, when Googling the names of magic effects, the Café is usually the first in the list of results - and most of the time, there's plenty of reveal going on. This thread will suffer the same fate - stop adding to it.)


Dobranoc.

On 2013-03-09 17:12, ©NathanaelBergenMagic wrote:

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On 2013-03-08 20:02, Don Dasher wrote:
Hitler. I would compare Brian Brushwood to Adolf Hitler.

Godwin's Law. You're done here; move along.



So, only 3 pages in, and I've already had to endure someone making light of cancer (my mother has cancer, fyi - and I'm sure I'm not the only one with a connection) and someone saying that Brushwood revealing the ID is bad enough that he should be compared to being Hitler (take notice of my location, you'll see why I'm offended).


I've seen a lot of threads around here go on much longer than they should have - this is definitely one of them.
The OP got his answer; it should have ended there. And now the more comments and replies on here only make this thread more and more worthless.


Before commenting further, read this:

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On 2013-03-08 16:38, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
There are 54,000 registered members of The Magic Café, and already 1500 views in this thread that isn't even two pages. All of you who are worried about exposure? This is a PUBLIC forum with the same potential numbers as Brushwood has on YouTube, via Google searching. You're doing the exact same thing that he did: drawing attention to a major secret in a public forum. And yet... only magicians care.

Then do yourself a favour, and just turn elsewhere. There's nothing to see here besides grumpy ol' men making horribly tasteless jokes and others bickering over 'ethics'.


I'm just as upset about Brushwood revealing the ID - but posting here, and raising this threads "Googlibility", is only doing more harm than good.

(Bear in mind, when Googling the names of magic effects, the Café is usually the first in the list of results - and most of the time, there's plenty of reveal going on. This thread will suffer the same fate - stop adding to it.)


Dobranoc.