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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Shame on you Mr.1Dog for not even bothering to ask me WHY I was concerned about jurors who were TOO ANXIOUS to serve. You know what they say about those who assume.
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 04:14, tommy wrote: tommy, sometimes I don't know what the heck you are talking about, but here I hear you loud and clear.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 04:30, mastermindreader wrote: Not my job to ask you why. Just repeating your words, not mine. PS it's Mr. Bob1Dog.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Then it is equally not your business to say "shame on you" when you clearly don't understand the meaning of what was said.
But, for the sake of being amicable, here's my explanation: I agree that serving on a jury is a civic duty. In my career as a criminal defense attorney I had to engage in jury selection at least a hundred times. Most of my cases were fairly run of the mill and the types of jurors I was looking for were, obviously, those I thought would give my client a fair decision based on the evidence presented. High profile crimes, though, sometimes made that difficult. Some jurors were anxious to serve on those juries simply because of the notoriety of the case. I always was concerned that those who seemed too anxious to serve on those juries had preconceived notions and/or opinions about the case even though they would usually say they hadn't read or heard much about it. So I hardly see how it is "shameful" for me to have dismissed jurors who I felt would be influenced more by their own preconceptions rather than by the weight of the evidence. For me to have done otherwise would have been a disservice to my clients and a violation of my duty as both an officer of the court and as counsel for the defense. As to Danny's comment about not wanting jurors who weren't smart enough to know how to get out of jury duty... That's an old joke that probably goes back to vaudeville. Surprised you never heard it before. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
The history of voting in the USA is littered with the laws of those who decided that some people are more worthy of voting than others. Discrimination based on IQ has a history basically as old as the creation of the IQ measure itself.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Before 1965, of course, literacy tests were common in the Jim Crow South.
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A typical Alabama "test" consisted of three-parts: http://www.crmvet.org/info/lithome.htm Sadly, there are still those who attempt to achieve the same results by somewhat more subtle, but nonetheless effective ways. Others would prefer to return to the old fashioned way by bringing back "literacy tests." |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
The thing I am confused about is that when I suggested the literacy tests is that blacks were brought to the forefront of this discussion. What does the color of someones skin have to do with their intelligence? It is the test resuts that matter. No where did I single out blacks. But as soon as I posted this several here brought it up along with Jim Crow. Look back at your posts. You know who you are. Now that is shame on you.
Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer. Why? Because they do not have enough inteligence and reasoning to make the decisions necessary for either of these professions or hundreds like them. Yet we let tindividuals vote who do not have the inelligence to come in out of the rain to use a trite phrase. However these people cannot follow a debate but they can listen to a 30 second commercial or a 30 secnd phone call and believe it to be true that this canadiate is the greatest thing since sliced bread and canned beer. Will they read a newspaper? No they do not hve enough attention span. Will they watch a debate? No, same reason they do not have enough attentioin span. Will they listen to the 30 second commercial or phone call that says vote for this guy and get all of this? Yes, because there is no attention span required and it sounds good...the old feel good thing so do it. They have no reasoning powers at all. If the ad says say I get it for free and I am going to have it better and have to do nothing in order to get it, then it must be good. Soon voting booths will be like cash registers at the fast food places. No numbers or words, just a picture of a hamburg and fries. Touch and you vote for that person.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 04:52, mastermindreader wrote: The best CLE program I ever attended was a multi-day trial advocacy seminar taught by a few L.A. county deputy district attorneys with hundreds of trials under their belts. The lead instructor claimed that the hardest part of the trial process was jurynselection, and that it took him several dozen trials to do a reliably decent job of it. Thoughts?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Acesover
If you check your history you will see that literacy tests is how the segregated south discriminated against black people, and I don't understand how you missed that part of your American history lesson. What you are proposing is known to those who remember their American history as racial discrimination. Check it out the voters rights act was in all the papers. To be quite honest with you I find it hard to believe that there are people in this country who are that unaware of civil rights.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Al you are unaware of a great many things.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Bob that joke goes back to at least vaudeville as I first heard it from Jay Marshall one weekend working at magic inc.
I had an addition to it which I can't post here but is none the less hilarious. PM me if you don't mind being offended. It is about a sure fire way to get out of jury duty. Bob shame on you for not recognizing a joke.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Personally I can think of many reasons it would be very bad to have anxious jurors. First it implies an agenda. That is exactly the opposite of what you want for a fair trial. Maybe you like it if the agenda is similar to yours but if you are on the other side it sucks.
That I'd the main reason. There are others but why bother listing them when fair is off the table?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Yes Danny it looks like some people on this forum missed the whole second half of the 20th century. LOL
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What exactly do you think your rights are Al? I always find this enlightening.
When I was a cop I had people assert a right to not pay taxes, have the right not to carry identification, the right to steal candy bars because the Mars company had enough money, the right to walk wherever they please, the right to be as drunk as they like just so they don't drive, the right to be high, (probably a favorite of yours) and the absolute right to park wherever they please. All because we live in America. What are your "rights" Al?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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Nope, never heard it before. See what happens when you assume?
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 13:31, Dannydoyle wrote: Shame on me for not recognizing a joke? See my response to Mastermindreader.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Even if you hadn't heard it the joke was fairly obvious Bob.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 13:51, Bob1Dog wrote: Assumed what? How is being surprised that you didn't recognize an old joke an assumption of any kind, especially for someone who claims to be a performer? On the other hand, your post I was responding to was NOTHING BUT an assumption, because you obviously didn't understand anything about what Danny, Lobo and I were talking about. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 10:05, acesover wrote: Hmm. Who was it who specifically referred to "ignorant Aborigines" when recommending literacy tests? Want me to cite your specific posts or do you think you can find them yourself? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-03-15 10:40, LobowolfXXX wrote: Absolutely true. The closest analogy I can come up with is by comparing jury selection to the way I "just know" who will make a suitable volunteer in my performances. It's something that, to a large extent can only be learned by experience. (The nature of the evidence against my client would generally dictate what kind of jurors I was looking for. Identifying those jurors was the tricky part.) Unfortunately, the art of trial law (and it IS an art) isn't something that can really be taught or learned in law school, just as you can't learn to be an effective and entertaining magician by merely learning how to do some tricks you purchased at a magic shop. Learning HOW to do something is vastly different from knowing intuitively WHEN to do it and why. Good thoughts, Bob |
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