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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Ah yes -- but the measure of discrimination that you claim requires action. Everything I have said related to observable actions of people towards other people. Now you shift from "they aren't developed yet" to "it's hidden inside"
You have said that my statements are prejudice, discriminatory and Ageism. You did not "make a point" about "little old lady" as I use the term -- which is a compliment. True, you may feel that if you were called a little old lady that it would be diminishing, but cannot assume that I meant anyhting diminishing or that this person would have been offended by my reference. The whole point of the story is that a person can be more than they appear -- and joyfully so. Why do you insist on finding something negative about everything? Is it something inside, or a is finding good in people something you have yet to develop? By the way, integrity, accountability and kindness cannot be "hidden inside" as there very definition is based on demonstrative action. Now the desire for these may be hidden or suppressed, but they do not exist until demonstrated. Every kid may be a latent Ebenezer, but today they demonstrate less than ideal values just as he did. Until he had his revelation he demonstrated a lack of these values throughout many "ages." He had "less" when young than he did when he was "old." Once again you support my original claim and prove that it is not Ageism. but I will take your view into consideration. I will tell my employee, "I am going to fire you for violating your work agreement, specifically being late for work once again. I know you don't think that punctuality is important, but you did sign a work agreement committing to be here on time. I am told that integrity is hidden inside of you waiting to get out and that you will develop that value someday. Please come back when you have it and apply for a job again." Maybe his "development" will be helped along in the unemployment line. Notice that I do not identify his age because it is irrelevant -- except that he is younger than I.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2013-03-21 19:03, funsway wrote: How did your posts regarding "most younger people today" arrive here at the Magic Café, Ken? I haven't shifted. I have indicated there are multiple variations. Are you seriously suggesting there is only one legitimate form for all or that I would indicate such? Ken, I did reference positive ageism. You suggest I'm playing games- have you taken the time to study your own thread? |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Compared to older people, most younger people are emotionally undeveloped, juvenile, childish and less mature than older people, for some reason. It is one of the great mysteries of the universe, which only secretive little old ladies know the answer to.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
I don't have to read it to know that I posted this as how I define "entitlement" as opposed to the use of a government hand-out. This is a view based on personal experience. Rather than just disagreeing or offering evidence that this may not be true you labeled it as Ageism. When that didn't work you shifted to prejudice and discrimination. The, you supported my view by admitting that younger people demonstrate less of these values since they are just developing. Next you shift to suggesting these values are hidden inside. And all of this under a smoke screen of everyone being equal.
Yes, to me that appears to be a game you are playing. If your values are still developing or hidden, why don't you learn from the experience of others? oops -- I may be error. I only assume that you are "younger" from your photo. Maybe you are really 70 years old, male and in prison some where. (now that is a game)
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Who controls the language, who controls the narrative, who controls the speech is who exercises power (Big Brother).
Hmmm Is “Big Brother” ageist?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Is Solyent Green?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
What are all these young whipper snappers and old coots arguing about?
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
I don't know but they've been on it for 9 days now. I think the older folks can claim experience while younger folks claim...that they're right?
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Did they have "jobs Americans won't do" 100 years ago?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
The Lunch Date - "a study of perceptions"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epuTZigxUY8 "The Lunch Date is a 1990 American short film directed by Adam Davidson. It was entered into the 1990 Cannes Film Festival, where it won the Short Film Palme d'Or. It later went on to be selected as "Dramatic Achievement" in the Student Academy Awards competition on June 10, 1990, and won an Academy Award in 1991 for Best Short Subject."
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
"If we look at what’s beneath our defense mechanisms, we’ll find clues to our shadow. In my story above, what I saw under my superiority was my own sense of inadequacy."
"Integrating the shadow will bring back to us not only the helpful, “positive” traits that we have hidden away," "Entering into the territory of defense mechanisms and shadow can be frightening. It is not easy to look at and experience these sensitive parts of ourselves, where shame is often involved. To do so, we need to be our own best friend and ally. This is something we have to learn to do" "As a part of self-love, we do well to pace ourselves in exploring this terrain. There is an analogy between inner work and cooking rice: the flame must be high enough to cook the rice, but if it’s too high, the rice gets burnt. Less is definitely more; baby steps are the order of the day. And in the process, we develop more inner muscle, as well as wisdom about what works best for us." "In this journey" "All of this is the work of a lifetime." http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/48/estes.html |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-03-25 00:23, LobowolfXXX wrote: Build a railway?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
"For the Central Pacific Railroad, hiring Chinese as opposed to whites kept labor costs down by a third, since the company would not pay their board or lodging. This type of steep wage inequality was commonplace at the time.[33] Eventually Crocker overcame shortages of manpower and money by hiring Chinese immigrants to do much of the back-breaking and dangerous labor. He drove the workers to the point of exhaustion, in the process setting records for laying track and finishing the project seven years ahead of the government's deadline.[38]"
"The Central Pacific track was constructed primarily by Chinese immigrants. Even though at first they were thought to be too weak or fragile to do this type of work, after the first day in which Chinese were on the line, the decision was made to hire as many as could be found in California (where most were gold miners or in service industries such as laundries and kitchens). Many more were imported from China. Most of the men received between one and three dollars per day, but the workers from China received much less. Eventually, they went on strike and gained small increases in salary.[39]" "The route laid not only had to go across rivers and canyons, which had to be bridged, but also through two mountain ranges - the Sierra Nevada and the Rocky Mountains - where tunnels had to be created. The explosions had caused many of the Chinese laborers to lose their lives. Due to the wide expanse of the work, the construction had to be carried out at times in the extreme heat and also in other times in the bitter winter cold. So harsh were the conditions that sometimes even entire camps were buried under avalanches.[40]" "The Central Pacific made great progress along the Sacramento Valley. However construction was slowed, first by the foothills of the Sierra Nevada, then by the mountains themselves and most importantly by winter snowstorms. Consequently, the Central Pacific expanded its efforts to hire immigrant laborers (many of whom were Chinese). The immigrants seemed to be more willing to tolerate the horrible conditions, and progress continued." "The Chinese worked in mines, swamps, construction and in factories, which could be life threatening and not easy to accomplish, many jobs that the Caucasians did not want to do was left to the Chinese. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On 2013-03-25 00:23, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes, of course. They had immigrants, blacks and others that would do them. Before that, slaves. ...and until the unions, poor people. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Blacks, poor people, and (legal) immigrants are Americans.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-03-25 19:00, LobowolfXXX wrote: Well, I guess that depends on what you mean by Americans. Many legal immigrants were not allowed to become U.S. Citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chinese_Americans "The Chinese Exclusion Act was the only U.S. law ever to prevent immigration and naturalization on the basis of race.[1] These laws not only prevented new immigration but also brought additional suffering as they prevented the reunion of the families of thousands of Chinese men already living in the U.S. (that is, men who had left China without their wives and children); anti-miscegenation laws in many states prohibited Chinese men from marrying white women.[2] In 1924 the law barred further entries of Chinese; those already in the United States had been ineligible for citizenship since the previous year. Also by 1924, all Asian immigrants (except people from the Philippines, which had been annexed by the United States in 1898) were utterly excluded by law, denied citizenship and naturalization, and prevented from marrying Caucasians or owning land.[3]"
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2013-03-25 15:01, Pop Haydn wrote: Quote:
On 2013-03-25 19:00, LobowolfXXX wrote: If current / existing Americans refuse to a certain type of job, then it would be correct in a sense to say that there are jobs that Americans will not do. If you then say, well, bring in new immigrants and make them citizens and let them do the job and now say that Americans are happily doing the job ... that sort of misses the point that no one among the original existing citizens was willing to do the job in the first place. So I think the honest answer to your question "Did they have jobs Americans won't do 100 years ago?" has to be yes. That doesn't even take into account the fact that some of the immigrants brought in to do those jobs were outright denied citizenship.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I think the honest answer, then and now, has to be no; they just generally won't do them as cheaply as non-Americans.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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