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bobthemagicdoerguy
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Hi everyone. Looking for help on a move I am having trouble with.

I have a vanish where I end up with the coin in the thumb clip position, and I want to move it somewhere more comfortable. However, I don't know of any nice ways to get it moved into something better, like the FP or whatnot.

Anyone know any techniques I should look up?
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Hi Bob,

Do you mean TP position? If so, you have but to use the FTR position to re-position the coin into another place in the hand, it's like a decision point position that allows you to go in just about any direction from there.

Just allow the coin to drop to FTR as you retract the fingers a bit. Once there, you can easily go into FP with a little help from the thumb easily pushing the coin up into place. Smile With this and just a little misdirection of movement of the hand, specs won't notice a thing. Smile

Oh, and I see you don't have very many posts here. Get yourself a good beginners coin book and or DVD set, many cover such basic manipulations and give you further understanding as to their greater overall usage while giving you a more systematic approach as you learn, so that you don't have to learn things piece-meal or when you get stuck in little hooks here and there. Good journey:)
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Mb- I can't believe I didn't think of that. I've been trying to sweep it into FP, or move it into a back clip, and all sorts of crazy things. I forgot all about gravity.

Problem solved.

As far as books go, I only have Bobo's, and didn't see much on transfers from that position. I'll re-examinate it...
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Michael Vincent has a nice drill:

FP, TP, CP, FP, TP, CP, and round and round. As Marion says, FTR is the crucial bit in between. Try practicing with both hands!
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There's a one handed switch Michael Rubbistein taught on one of the Copper/silver NYCMS DVDs where he did a one handed coin change starting with a coin in FP and one in the fingertips, the workings made you place the coin in view into Thumb clip and while pushing out the coin in FP, it made the coin in thump clip to go into angle palm, and from there he just rolled it into FP, the last part of the move is the one I use to change from thumb clip to FP, no fingertip rest involved.
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An alternative to the thumb clip (aka thumb palm) is the to hold the coin between the two interphalangeal joints of the thumb. This gives a more natural look than the thumb palm and give you a lot more freedom to get rid of it in many more ways. If you then want to change it to any other palm, it is a piece of cake with less hand movement than in thumb palm.

I think there's still a free tutorial of it on T11 under the name of "Chip Trick". This is done with a poker chip, but can be adapted to small coins also with good effect.
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What you're describing here is much older than Theory 11's presentation of it in Chip Tricks, if we're thinking of the same thing. It sure sounds like we are.

Vinny Marini here on the Café has been using this, generally known as the Crimp Palm, for over 50 years and has developed all sorts of effects using it as more as a real alternative to the CP. This move, more classically speaking of old, was originally called the Frickle Palm.

Again, Vinny used the move more than any other and came up with a variety of amazing effects using it. Many of which he had been doing long before the greater usage or even invent of the Internet.

Oh, and welcome to the Café. Smile
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On 2013-03-19 16:33, tomsk192 wrote:
... As Marion says, FTR is the crucial bit in between.


Crucial indeed! Fingertip Rest is most likely the coin position that you will use more than any other. An excellent post on it by Café member Hare can be found here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=3&19

Thank you.

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On 2013-03-21 11:38, Mb217 wrote:
What you're describing here is much older than Theory 11's presentation of it in Chip Tricks, if we're thinking of the same thing. It sure sounds like we are.


Thanks for your welcome Smile

I'm sorry if there was confusion. By quoting the T11 version, I wasn't meaning that they were the original source. I just think that when people suggest a move that is not commonly done or a move that would may be new to the OP, we should give them a bit of guidance for how to learn it.

Thank you for the names, though (certainly beats "thumb interphalangeal joint palm")!
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Understood and I just wanted to clarify if we were speaking of the same thing, and it seems that we were, so I'm glad I went further. I guess your use of that name in describing it as mentioned via T11, sorta set off an alarm -- that maybe they had put forth another name on this or something? Smile

Happy to provide you with a much better and easier name for this thing so you can better speak of it and folks can better understand what you are referring to. Smile I guarantee you that your mention of this here, if they understood it, brought about a vision of Vinny and his Crimp Palm. Smile

Also, I'd say that Vinny is even a better source for this that you might better point people to as to the usage of this move, as he has graciously provided assistance to people here on the Café regarding it over the past decade. And I truly doubt if anyone is a better instructor as to it. You might reach out to him yourself here and say hello. He's a great guy and wonderful closeup man with a great specialty as to coins. We're lucky to have him here. Smile
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Fair enough! I just saw some of the stuff from Vinny and it is very impressive. I knew it was quite versatile, but Vinny is amazing!

As for the T11 trick, it doesn't actually mention the name of the palm at all, just that he had it taught by someone once - not the best attribution - but a simple explanation nonetheless. Plus the focus is the trick, not the palm, which is a shame, 'cause I think he misses an opportunity to extol the virtues of the Crimp.
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Thank you Marion for crediting me on my work with the crip palm aka thumb crotch
you and J Mac are correct .The fingedr tip rest is the utmost improtant getting inot and out of various sligts

I made a demo using this technique
http://youtu.be/bA_apLGtfP4

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On 2013-03-20 19:35, Daeld wrote:
...hold the coin between the two interphalangeal joints of the thumb...


I'm sorry to be an anatomical pedant, but given that the thumb has two phalanges, where is the second inter-phalangeal joint?

;)
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Embarrasingly, when I realised what I had done I no longer had an edit option (I therefore hoped no one would notice). Obviously it is between the interphalangeal (IP) joint and the metacarpophalangeal (MCP) joint. :Highly Embarrassed: (particularly given my day-job!)

It's a bad description on my part anyway. Depending on the size of the coin, the IP joint may not touch the coin at all. In my thumb, I always rest the coin on my MCP joint, but the other end of it is usually on middle of the distal phalanx.

Did I mention highly embarrassed? Smile
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