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On 2013-03-28 11:49, Payne wrote:
Scott exposed the cups and balls in The Discoverie of Witchcraft back in 1584. It's been included in beginners magic sets since the Nineteenth Century. It's been exposed on the back of cereal boxes and in magazine articles for decades. Yet magician's keep amazing, amusing and yes, still fooling audiences with it all over the world.


Exactly!
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.....and then there routines - like's Vernon's - that even incorporate exposure of how the trick works ......well, not really but the audience thinks so and is therefore doubly duped. it's a case of turning exposure on its head and using it to good effect, as a misdirection tool.
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Someone just posted exactly the same question, except about linking rings. The answer is the same. A good routine is magical to watch even if the effect has been around for centuries. Maybe that's WHY they've been around for centuries.
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The cups and balls actually cannot be exposed. Singular routines can be tipped, one at a time.

There's an infinite number of ways to do the trick. If you ever worry the routine you're doing is, in any way, in any portion of the public's knowledge; pick a better routine.

I suspect the sequence I learned from the instructions in my first magic set, is fairly well known. I wouldn't perform that sequence for a paying audience. If you work for magicians, busting out Vernon's routine, in any of it's incarnations is probably not the best idea, unless you're freaking great at it.

Really good magic can't be exposed, especially if you have some level of originality.

See Master Payne's routine for a fine example.

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On 2013-03-28 01:15, RudyC wrote:
With the Cups & Balls being exposed many times on televison is it a good idea to just remove it from your performance?
Do any of you still perform it?

Your question is a highly personal and artistic one.
Michael Skinner gave up doing the Linking Rings in his
close-up act at the Golden Nugget Hotel in Las Vegas after
it was exposed on television.
So your question is a very valid and important one.
But one that only you can answer, nobody else.
If you take advice from someone else you're just listening to
someone tell you how to be exactly like themself.
Follow your own path.
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On 2013-04-27 18:32, Gary Kosnitzky wrote:
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On 2013-03-28 01:15, RudyC wrote:
With the Cups & Balls being exposed many times on televison is it a good idea to just remove it from your performance?
Do any of you still perform it?

Your question is a highly personal and artistic one.
Michael Skinner gave up doing the Linking Rings in his
close-up act at the Golden Nugget Hotel in Las Vegas after
it was exposed on television.
So your question is a very valid and important one.
But one that only you can answer, nobody else.
If you take advice from someone else you're just listening to
someone tell you how to be exactly like themself.
Follow your own path.


What a great idea, Gary. Thanks!
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Magicians sometimes forget how much of a niche magic really is. Even with all the exposure, it mostly only reaches those who seek it. I do magic for kids and new ones come along each year. lol
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This is just my opinion but I really don't think people care how a trick is done, so long as they are being entertained. In fact, if the entertainment value is strong enough, people are often willing to forget they know the secret.

Having said that, I have performed the cups and balls for many years. The Jamaican Cups and Balls routine that I created was actually awarded a Gold medal in 2007. The actual moves were not overly unique, but having a Chinese Canadadian dressed in Jamaican garb (complete with dregs), singing a song with a Jamaican accent, while performing the cups and balls, was so different that it caught the judge's attention. Since then, the Jamaican Cups and Balls has become a staple in many of my smaller corporate shows.

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If The spec knows how it is done it might
be entertaining but it is definitely not Magic.
You might as well be a dancing and singing transvestite,
that can also be entertaining.
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Hmmm ... I've never actually seen a dancing and singing transvestite. Guess I'll just have to take your word for it! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. Smile )

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The Cups & Balls is quite often part of magic sets commonly found in toy stores. I don't believe this is exposure anyone should worry about. And if someone says "Oh that's in my son's (or daugher's) magic set, then explain that it shows them the BARE essentials of the trick and is intended mainly to get the youngster interested in magic.
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On 2013-05-02 12:31, Gary Kosnitzky wrote:
If The spec knows how it is done it might
be entertaining but it is definitely not Magic.
You might as well be a dancing and singing transvestite,
that can also be entertaining.

It's true. I know how dancing and singing transvestites work (a combination of clothing and adjustments), but they're still entertaining! Depends on the performer!
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I close every formal close up show and every walk around show with the cups and balls. I don't care about if it was exposed in so and so book or TV or on youtube.

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