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On 2013-04-07 21:45, landmark wrote:
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He didn't say they were the State's children, now, did he?

If the State can have dominion over a fetus in the womb of a woman, why not her child?
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I am so-o-o-o glad that my wife and I decided early on not to have children. Just my wife and me. The rest of the folks who would place demands upon us on how we should live our lives be d*m*ed
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If the State can have dominion over a fetus in the womb of a woman, why not her child?


The eggs of the loggerhead sea turtle are protected by Federal law. Why not Homo sapiens?
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Woland never said he believed the story. It would be much more productive to show evidence proving one wrong in their opinions rather than poking fun at the person.


I enjoy topics such as U.F.O's, Bigfoot etc... Doesn't mean I buy into the stories (doesn't mean I don't either) just makes for fun conversations.
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If the State can have dominion over a fetus in the womb of a woman, why not her child?


The eggs of the loggerhead sea turtle are protected by Federal law. Why not Homo sapiens?

I can make neither tails nor heads of this reply.

Best I can tell you mean either:

1) Sea turtle eggs are not human, and therefore may be subject to govt law. In this case, I would then ask, if you believe in the govt's right to make laws about human fetuses, then do you consider a human fetus in the same category as a sea turtle egg?


or

2) Embryos of any species are inherently subject to governance, while once born they are not. In that case, do you believe that sea turtle children and adults should be free of any government regulation?

or


3) Human embryos should be subject to govt. regulation, but children and adults should not be. In which case there was no need for the sea turtles to be invoked at all.
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I am so-o-o-o glad that my wife and I decided early on not to have children. Just my wife and me. The rest of the folks who would place demands upon us on how we should live our lives be d*m*ed

Agree 100% with you there, Bob1Dog. There are some folks who think you're evil if you're married but not procreating.
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I am so-o-o-o glad that my wife and I decided early on not to have children. Just my wife and me. The rest of the folks who would place demands upon us on how we should live our lives be d*m*ed

Agree 100% with you there, Bob1Dog. There are some folks who think you're evil if you're married but not procreating.

And of course, there are some who think you're evil if you ARE procreating.
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Well my wife and I are only having 3 kids that is for certain.

I read an article where 1 out of every 4 babies born is Chinese. We don't even speak the language or nothin. Cant take that kind of chance. Not fair to the kid.
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I am so-o-o-o glad that my wife and I decided early on not to have children. Just my wife and me. The rest of the folks who would place demands upon us on how we should live our lives be d*m*ed

Agree 100% with you there, Bob1Dog. There are some folks who think you're evil if you're married but not procreating.

And of course, there are some who think you're evil if you ARE procreating.

Who would that be? I can't think of any organized group that thinks so.

Edit: I apologize. There are many conservatives who think that people who are poor should not be procreating. There are Neo-Nazis and the like who think that non-whites should not be procreating. Sorry, I didn't think it through.
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I am so-o-o-o glad that my wife and I decided early on not to have children. Just my wife and me. The rest of the folks who would place demands upon us on how we should live our lives be d*m*ed

Agree 100% with you there, Bob1Dog. There are some folks who think you're evil if you're married but not procreating.

And of course, there are some who think you're evil if you ARE procreating.

Who would that be? I can't think of any organized group that thinks so.

Edit: I apologize. There are many conservatives who think that people who are poor should not be procreating. There are Neo-Nazis and the like who think that non-whites should not be procreating. Sorry, I didn't think it through.

Well, my mother never said we were evil, but being her first born, she did hound my wife and I for years about not making her a grandmother. It got old real quick. Then my sister and brother obliged her.
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Well my wife and I are only having 3 kids that is for certain.

I read an article where 1 out of every 4 babies born is Chinese. We don't even speak the language or nothin. Cant take that kind of chance. Not fair to the kid.

Yeah but one of the three could still be Chinese; where was it written that it has to be the fourth? Smile
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Yea but at 3 kids arrent the odds like 100%?

Yea guys I am making REALLY bad jokes, not mathematical points out of my total respect for the subject.
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There are many conservatives who think that people who are poor should not be procreating.
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Like this one?

"You want an overpopulated earth?” the fuming, pro-abortion woman asks. “You want to keep paying taxes for babies that are born to crackheads?”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/06/watch-......Pu0Ij8Xf

Oh wait, my guess is she doesn't consider herself a conservative. (I realize she probably voted for Obama so YOU consider her a conservative, but that opinion would certainly be in the small, small, minority.)
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Oh wait, my guess is she doesn't consider herself a conservative.

Well, what we do know is that she has some anti-tax leanings.
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I realize she probably voted for Obama so YOU consider her a conservative...

Thank you for understanding my politics Smile

I'm sure there are individuals who might make the argument you've quoted above--I was specifically speaking of organized groups. I don't know of any that make the same argument as the woman quoted.
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"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I realize she probably voted for Obama so YOU consider her a conservative...

Thank you for understanding my politics Smile

I'm sure there are individuals who might make the argument you've quoted above--I was specifically speaking of organized groups. I don't know of any that make the same argument as the woman quoted.


Well, first you said, "There are some folks who think you're evil if you're married but not procreating."

And then you said, "There are many conservatives who think that people who are poor should not be procreating."

Neither claim seems to be specifically speaking of organized groups. And as to the 2nd claim, I could have easily replied, "Sure, all those pro-abortion conservatives are always trying to stop the poor from having babies."

But, if you want to backtrack now, that's fine. Maybe you can point me to some organized groups platform that states that you're evil if you're married but not procreating. I'm not sure I've seen any of those. And while I doubt it's on the Green Party's platform, I wouldn't be surprised that a large part of them agree with Potty Pirates views that the world would be so much better if people would quit having babies and half the population would just die off.
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Rockwall, I'm sure you are aware that there are many organized religions that hold that the purpose of marriage is to procreate. That was what I was referring to.
And no, your fantasies about the views of the Green Party about procreation are just that.
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Don't worry landmark. Your views of other political parties are just as much fantasy.
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