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I have read and/or used DSM3, 4,5, and I am very familiar with the professional debates regarding its specific applications.
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On 2013-05-12 09:57, Woland wrote:
Hi landmark,

No, I am not saying that the promulgators of the DSM are leftists, although that may be the case. I don't know. All I am saying, is that the increasing elasticity of the definitions of mental illness would be quite useful to a government that was seeking the power to imprison and isolate anyone it wanted to, without the difficulties of an open trial. And I am pointing out an example of a country where that was routinely done. A communist country, incidentally.

Understood. A government that was seeking to imprison anyone it wanted to, without the difficulties of an open trial is indeed something to be alarmed about. Example, the US. A capitalist country, incidentally.
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Social stigmatization of the mentally ill is a bigger problem than any classification system.


Yup. And social stigmatization also prevents people who really need help, from seeking the help in the first place because they don't want to be seen as "weak minded." Not to mention in some mental disorders, their is a lot of ignorance surrounding it. For example, using MRI scans, scientists have managed to find significant differences in the brains of people who have PTSD as opposed to those who do not have PTSD. PTSD has also been documented as having some physical damaging effects on the brain from excessive exposure to adrenaline and endorphins. When the brain is exposed to adrenaline and endorphins for a continuous prolonged period of time, it can cause the brain to physically change and/or to be physically damaged. Some of the nerouns in the brain also become disconnected. This is scientific fact. It's not an opinion. Yet, people belly on about those who have PTSD are "weak minded" and those that really need treatment don't go get treatment because they don't want to be seen as "weak." Some people think PTSD is BS but it's not. It's something that really exists and anybody can get it if they are thrown into a bad situation or circumstance for a prolonged period of time. I remember a Vietnam Vet warning some of our guys "PTSD is real and it will kill you if you under-estimate or ignore it." Heck even World War II hero, Audie Murphy talked about PTSD though PTSD was not recognized at the time and he didn't call it that.

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Murphy was reportedly plagued by insomnia and bouts of depression, related to his military service. He slept with a loaded pistol under his pillow.[132] His first wife, Wanda Hendrix, stated that he once held her at gunpoint.[133] A post-service medical examination on June 17, 1947 revealed symptoms of headaches, vomiting, and nightmares about war. The medical record shows that sleeping pills helped prevent the nightmares.[134] His first wife Wanda Hendrix remembered an incident in which Murphy was moved to tears at seeing footage of German war orphans.[135] Murphy found a creative stress outlet in the poems he wrote (and often discarded) during the period between the end of his active military duty and the onset of his movie career. His poem "The Crosses Grow on Anzio" appeared in his book To Hell and Back,[136] but was attributed to the fictitiously named Kerrigan.[137] For a time during the mid-1960s, he became dependent on prescribed sleeping pills called Placidyl. When he recognized that he had become addicted to the drug, he locked himself in a motel room where he took himself off the pills, going through withdrawal for a week.[15] Post-traumatic stress levels exacerbated what Murphy himself had admitted was his innate moodiness and explosive personality,[11] and surfaced in episodes that friends and co-workers found alarming.[138]

In an effort to draw attention to the problems of returning Korean War and Vietnam War veterans, Murphy spoke out candidly about his own problems with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD),[139] known then and during World War II as "battle fatigue". He called on the government to give increased consideration and study to the emotional impact that combat experiences have on veterans, and to extend health care benefits to address PTSD and other mental-health problems suffered by returning war veterans.[140][141] On October 13, 1971, U.S. Congressman Olin Teague introduced legislation to name a new veterans hospital in San Antonio after Murphy.[142] The Audie L. Murphy Memorial Veterans Hospital in San Antonio was dedicated in 1973 and is now a part of the South Texas Veterans Health Care System.[143]

After the war, they took Army dogs and rehabilitated them for civilian life. But they turned soldiers into civilians immediately, and let 'em sink or swim.[144]
—Audie Murphy


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Sex Addiction and many of the other things the panic mongers are listing are in the appendix. They are NOT official disorders.
Also, they can't "just nut you off" for being diagnosed with a disorder. "They" have worked very hard at making it very difficult to be committed to a psychiatric institution. They cut funding and closed most of the Asylums a few short decades ago. When anti-psychotic drugs were developed the gov said "oh good, now we can let the schizophrenics out so we don't have to pay for the space to house them."
So this is another conspiracy theory that the facts not only don't support, but directly contradict.
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Who isn't?
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Thoughtful comments on the DSM revision from an eminent psychiatrist are here for those who are interested.
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Psychiatry itself is quite insane actually and it ought to nutted off. It is based on a load of theories, none which can be proven, it never cures anyone and never gets to the bottom of anything. The only validation of it comes from them who get well paid to do the job and their crazy students.
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Dr Frances gave a long interview to an Australian show a few days ago and explained that the problem wasn't that the 4th guide was inaccurate but that it left room for the drug companies to leap in and market medications that were unnecessary, unhelpful, or even problematic.

I found him easy to understand and believable.
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Hi tommy,

If you read Professor McHugh's article, you will see how he thinks psychiatric practice can be re-oriented to make it more clinical and scientific.
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On 2013-05-22 07:49, tommy wrote:
Psychiatry itself is quite insane actually and it ought to nutted off. It is based on a load of theories, none which can be proven, it never cures anyone and never gets to the bottom of anything. The only validation of it comes from them who get well paid to do the job and their crazy students.


While psychiatry doesn't "cure" certain disorders, per se, it can be very effective at controlling the symptoms.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Psychiatry is an art. Mind Art
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I know people for whom it's made a tremendous beneficial difference.

However, there's always MaIer's Law: If the facts don't conform to the theory, they must be disposed of.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Stop the Insanity

http://dsm5response.com/

Quite useful for the criminal though: One can soon find a disorder now to get oneself nutted off to get away with murder. Or get the prosecution witness'e nutted off or the Judge etc.

Every cloud has a silver lining disorder. Smile
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Yes. Let's do away with psychiatry so that all of the violent and/or paranoid psychotics won't have anyone to prescribe them the meds to control their symptoms. Who'd like to volunteer as their first flatmate?
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