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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Currently I am trying to go from a coin roll out to a coin star.(Without putting the coins down) I can't remember where or who I saw someone do it.
Can anyone point me to a source. Thanks in advance. Harris harris.deutsch@leesummit.k12.mo.us
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 837 Posts |
Harris,
I'm not sure if you know but there is a coin manipulation website. This may have been where you read about, not too sure though. Here's the link for you, hope it helps you out. http://members.iweb.net.au/~kith/jugglin......in_f.htm Hope that the right link LOL -Bill |
mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
On Curtis Kams PoS 3 "Silverado" He does just that at the start of "Inverted Matrix" but doesn't explain it:(
After seeing it you can pretty much work it out. Best joe
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bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts |
You can check out a clip at http://www.denisbehr.de under coinmagic, good luck with the star part of it -- So far I can do the rolldown OR the star and very rarely do I get the coins into position correctly from one to the other (at least not quickly enough to be impressive) but its a work in progress.
:goodluck: You should check out this guy's other clips too -- some good stuff here.
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tedski Special user New Jersey 792 Posts |
Agreed, Denis Behrs site will give you what you are looking for and more!
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Harris,
There's a thread somwhere here where I asked about this, and said that I had not seen it in print anywhwere, and to my knowledge, it was invented by the guy who taught it to me, Allen Okawa here in Hawaii. Paul Chosse then said he learned it from Art Lyle, who probably predates Allen, but Paul also was unable to cite to a source in print. There are also several japanese magicians who have demonstrated a proficiency in this. At the COINvention, we saw a wonderful magician, whose name has escaped me, do two five coin rollouts (circle pattern)that he transformed into two five coin stars. His routine, believe it or not, did not end there! I hope this provides the info you seek.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Thanks
Harris
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Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
Harris,
Here is the post that Curtis was referring to. Hideo knows the Japanese gentleman that I refer to later in the post, and could probably put you in touch with him. I still don't know who originated the rolldown to star... Best, PSC Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2003-05-09 13:53, Curtis Kam wrote: James, about the flourishes, thanks for asking. I meant to talk about one of them, the rolldown to star. As far as I know, this was invented by Allen Okawa here in Hawaii. As logical a progression as it sems to be, I have yet to see it in print. For those of you who haven't seen it, or didn't notice, the flourish consists of performing the four coin rolldown, then snapping the fingers together, catching the coins between them. The hand is then opened, and the coins end up balanced on the fingertips, i.e. in "star" formation. It looks very pretty, and is an effective way to display coins to a larger audience. (In fact, I do have a coins across handling for large crowds that utilizes this display to show the coins each time) So, is this anywhere, like on the McBride tapes? Allen was doing it back in the early 1970's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wow! Is this really considered something new? No sarcasm here, I really am surprised. I have been doing the rolldown to a star since about 1966. I learned it from an old vaudeville magician, Art Lyle. He was a jeweler by trade and a watchmaker. In retirement he opened a magic shop in Lowell, Massachusetts, where I grew up. How I got to know him and how he became my mentor is an interesting story, and for another time. Art was a working pro from the twenties through the fifties. He wrote a lot for the magic magazines of his time, including The Jinx and The Phoenix. I met Walter Gibson, Silent Mora, John Scarne, Irv Wiener, Larry Crane, The Irish Wizard (in fact, I have one of Cranes' personal egg bags, which was different in construction and performance from any other I have ever seen, thanks to Mr. Lyle.) and others through Art Lyle. His forte was close-up, but he also did a stand-up act that he modeled on Cardini, and a turn that was akin to Liepzigs' style. My father was, among other things, a machinist, and Art asked him to make a holder for coins. The holder was a rectangular block of aluminium, with four holes bored into the surface. The holes were the diameter of a half dollar, and half the depth of one. Art put one half in each of the holes (walking liberties), and then used a buffing wheel and jewlers rouge to polish the halves. He bought the most worn halves he could find, and after polishing them with the jewelers rouge, which is an abrasive, he had a great set of recognizable, but "soft" halves for coin manipulation. This was 35+ years ago, long before the popularization of the "soft" coin concept. As a thank-you to me for prevailing upon my father to make the coin holder for him, Art gave me a set of the halves, in a beautiful, hand-made, jewelers cloth holder, with seperate compartments for each coin, to keep them bright and clean between uses. I have them to this day! Art taught me the rolldown and star that you are talking about back in the mid-sixties, and I have been doing it ever since. In 1978, in San Francisco, I ran a magic shop for Marvin "Buma" Burger. There was a national convention in San Diego that year and it attracted people from all over the world. After the convention we had visits from people from out of the country. One of those people was a Japanese magician named Tetsioshi Hoshino, who, according to one of the Café members, now works for Tenyo. He saw me do the rolldown to star, and showed me his version. He did it with 5 coins, leaving the coin between the thumb and forefinger as a double in the rolldown phase, and then snapped the coins flat between the fingers and went into the star, ending with coins balanced on all fingers and the thumb. With BOTH hands! Simultaneously! Gene Matsuura has home video of me doing this flourish from many years ago, but to my knowledge it has never seen print. I certainly didn't ever think it noteworthy enough to lay any claim to, and, had I thought about it at all, would have guessed that someone long ago put something about it in print. It is at least as old as I am, and, given Lyles' association with it, considerably older than that. It would be interesting to track down any references to it. I'll see if I have anything in my old notebooks about it - anything is possible! Best, PSC P.S. Art Lyle had the funniest patter extant for the six bill repeat - put out by Holdens' in the forties, and wrapped around a betting story - guys at the track betting on the horses. It was a VERY Damon Runyon type story, and really funny. Some of Lyle's other contributions are unsung, but magnificent. He does have a trick or two in "My Best", by J.G. Thompson, and "Scarne on Card Tricks", by John Scarne, as well as the periodical contributions I mentioned earlier. One of my earliest memories of Lyle is of him spreading a handkerchief over his left hand, dropping those four beautiful walking liberties into the center of the handkerchief, gathering the four corners and holding the handkerchief like a bag, with the coins obviously inside. He then, holding the corners in his right hand, bounced the coins against his left palm, then dropped three corners of the handkerchief from his right hand and, instead of the coins falling to the floor as they should have done, they simply vanished into THIN AIR! Pure magic! And, of course, I am remembering it all wrong. But guess what? I don't EVER want to know what happened! It was so stunningly beautiful and impossible! That drove me to learn the sleight of hand I have so come to love. And Art Lyle taught it to me for years thereafter. He gave me the first 5 years of Genii Magazine, bound. He turned me on to Erdnase, Scarne, Stars of Magic, Tarbell, Downs Art of Magic, Vernon, Marlo, Bobo, and I loved him for it. I still do. Art Lyle changed my life, and that rolldown and coinstar bring it all back again. Thanks, Curtis...
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Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
Hello, I just noticed the thread.
I also thought that the flourish is quite old. I think that it IS in print: Ron MacMillan's "Modern Coin Manipulation". (I was recently told that it is in Bobo but I did not have time to check yet. That would be new to me but who knows...) |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Denis,
Thanks for chiming in. You may be right, I think Paul and I have a typical American bias, and I have to admit that I haven't read (or even seen) Ron McMillian's book. Do you have the date and publisher handy? BTW, congratulations on the coin work that appears on your site. There are limitations to the medium, but from the videos I've seen, you're quite accomplished.
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Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
Curtis,
I am not near my books until christmas so I cannot check the date until then. I found the booklet quite interesting although it is focused on stage manipulation with coins. Thanks for your comments concerning the clips I am not so much into coins really but I do enjoy practicing some sleights and routines every now and then... Denis |
Adam Keisner Veteran user London 335 Posts |
Curtis, I do not know the date or publisher, however the link below is for a magic shop in London run by Ron Mc Millians son Martin. I am sure they have copies I have had a look at one there.
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Doug Conn Loyal user 212 Posts |
Slighty off topic... but this maybe of interest to some:
I use the rolldown/star as a secret way of placing 2 coins (of 4) into classic palm. If you're interested, there's a "video tutorial" (with a demo of the 4 coin rolldown/star) here: http://www.dougconn.com/classroom.htm Regards, Doug Conn PS: I'm guessing that Down's "Art of Magic" should have a description of the rolldown/coinstar. |
Denis Behr Special user Germany 703 Posts |
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On 2003-12-01 12:32, Denis Behr wrote: The book was published in 1981 and the flourish in on page 54 named "Spread Vanish and Coin Star". No credits are in the text. |
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