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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
So why not give the complete story? The way you put it out there sounded like an National Inquirer story, and you did it on purpose. Got a Bieber story too?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I only wrote about what I saw and heard. But you are still completely avoiding my question?
Do you agree or disagree with what Beckel and Ingraham said? Should Muslims seeking visas and Muslim Americans be subject to special scrutiny solely because of their religion? And, if you agree that they should, how would that not constitute an infringement of the First Amendment? |
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
I say we deal with it like Israel. And you are completely avoiding my points that you tried to start something by omitting the important facts lol. I don't blame you though, you're a lawyer
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Again, I only saw the part of the show that I commented on. Why don't you fill me in on the part you seem to think I'm leaving out?
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
Don't take anything personal Bob, you left out the name of who made the statement to generate a reaction. If you didn't know who made the statement, why didn't you do your due diligence and find out? You seem to be a man who's very thorough
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I honestly didn't know. Really. I have to admit that I never heard of Beckel before. I don't often watch Hannity.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Just as I thought (dreaded)...
It is a Muslim.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Here is the thing. I find it incredibly hard to believe that these terrorists just learned all of these things off the internet alone. I mean, with just using the internet alone to learn this stuff, you have to be pretty darn lucky to actually create a bomb that will actually work and detonate, IF all you have is the internet to learn about these things.
What were these guys doing when they were in Chechnya and Daghestan when they were visiting? Isn't this a war torn part of the world that still has some warfare still going on? Keep in mind, these are the same people engaged in direct combat against US troops in Afghanistan. I smell an outside terrorist organization aiding and training these two. Also, the fact that one of these guys charged at the police while engaged in a firefight with them indicates some training in infantry tactics, which some of these terrorist organizations do have this kind of training (especially if they have been fighting the russian army for a number of years). I smell an outside, foreign terrorist organization at work here and I think they are tied to al-queda. I also think intelligence wise, the FBI and the CIA are behind the power curve in knowing our enemies. I think part of this is because of the inflexibility of the bureaucracy that is in place at both organizations.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 19:30, lunatik wrote: So increased surveillance of Muslims is not what conservatives want? Glad to hear it, if true. Of course, lost in all this is the real profile of the mass murderers--men. I can't recall the last woman mass murderer. Clearly women have something to be worried about here, and I would start by bugging the bathrooms.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 20:15, lunatik wrote: So you think we should annex territory where there's a Muslim population? Or have separate license plates and roads for Muslims? Or seal off territory and then reign bombs on them? What, exactly?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 21:53, General_Magician wrote: It's been pointed out already, but "they" were not in Chechnya and Daghestan. Only the older brother went there. And all evidence gathered to date, including the cell phone records, computer data, and the statement of the hospitalized suspect, indicates that they worked alone. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 20:32, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Jut as I thought (dreaded)...a man. Not to make light of your feelings though, Pakar--I really do understand. I have thought the same kind of thing in similar circumstances. But it's important to understand that that's a function of their bigotry, not our identities.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 22:02, landmark wrote: I asked that question directly earlier: Quote:
Do you agree or disagree with what Beckel and Ingraham said? Should Muslims seeking visas and Muslim Americans be subject to special scrutiny solely because of their religion? And, if you agree that they should, how would that not constitute an infringement of the First Amendment? The only answer I got was that we should do what Israel does. My question, though, dealt with what the First Amendment guarantees. |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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mastermindreader wrote: The investigation isn't finished yet and I wasn't aware if it was one or both of them that went to Chechnya or Daghestan. As far as infantry tactics, from what I heard on the news about "charging the police during a firefight," I assumed this was done on foot, close by the police and not in a vehicle, so it sounded like infantry tactics to me. But, again, the news sometimes gives out incomplete information which can be confusing.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I think there's a major difference between extra scrutiny and internment camps.
BTW, Italian Americans and German Americans were also forced into internment camps in the WW2 era, albeit in mist smaller numbers.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Love Thine Enemy!
In everyday life, recognition of the role of Three is a step toward that most difficult of feats: acceptance of the opposition. A masterpiece of art, indeed creation of any sort, can take place only in the face of commensurate opposition. To the sculptor, the block of wood is his opposition in a very real sense — as every sculptor knows. If his inspiration is insufficient to deal with his block of wood, h e will either go out and get drunk or produce an ambitious failure. If the block of wood is insufficient to his inspiration, he will finish with a sense of frustrated ambition. Easy to recognise in principle, the ability to give the opposition its due is one of the most difficult things to put into practice. This is why the principle is expressed and re expressed in a thousand different ways in sacred literatures of the world. It is this, and not any sense of obsequiousness, that is meant by the Christian dictum to 'love thine enemy'. Try to love thine enemy! Serpent in the Sky – John Anthony West "These things were meant to detract attention from its true purpose and its real organizers. A very low quantity of explosive was used – but the political impact of the crime was absolutely huge. The entire world was watching. Thankfully, not many casualties emerged, but that was not the point. The explosion was planned to perfection; it happened at the exact time and place as was intended. The organizers are clearly very serious professionals who know what they’re doing." - Russian 'Alpha' Special Forces team-veteran and vice-president of its International Association Aleksey Filatov. RT http://rt.com/op-edge/boston-marathon-attack-filatov-976/ Good thinking! So what we the people did wrong in this case, and we are still doing it, is give them too much publicity.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 22:48, LobowolfXXX wrote: America wasn't the only "free and democratic" country that humiliated its own citizens with internment camps during the war, I'm afraid.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 22:48, LobowolfXXX wrote: The internment camps were, nonetheless, later determined to be unconstitutional. (But the suggestion that the older bomber's wife should be sent to prison simply for wearing a hijab seems a bit more extreme than "extra scrutiny," as is the notion that a moratorium should be placed on student visas based solely on the applicant's religion.) The First Amendment issue remains, nonetheless. Why should a person's religious beliefs alone (keeping in mind the fact that the vast majority of the worlds Muslims are NOT terrorists and that the accused in the present case is an American citizen) subject them to extra scrutiny in any case? |
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Kune Veteran user 312 Posts |
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On 2013-04-23 22:02, landmark wrote: An Australian journalist also claimed the common link was men. Then the next day there was a female suicide bomber in Pakistan who killed 4: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/bre......25094766 |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The New World Order agenda is oneness. They bring into countries many foreigners to destroy nationalism. Were do peoples loyalty lie in the event of war in a place that is full foreigners? You go to war with Japan, is it not reasonable to expect the thousands of Japanese to in your country to side with Japan? What is the point of having a countries at all if you going mix all the people up? No point at all and that is reason they do it. They do not want countries what they want is One. Integration, Inter faith, Inter twist everything, that is the agenda of the The New World Order. Oneness! We the are at war with Islamic countries. “If inciting people to do that is terrorism, and if killing those who kill our sons is terrorism, then let history be witness that we are terrorists.” - Osama Bin Laden
Who do you think “we” is?
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