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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
He might have to work hard for his living and not have the Miami summer sun like terrorist Luis Posada Carriles, who likes to blow......s on it.
As to false flag operations, while I don't think we have any proof pointing to it in this case, it's not some wacko idea beyond the realm of reasonable possibility. Here's a whole list of such actions by many different countries including the US. No conspiracy theories here by the way--this is a list of admitted false flag operations: http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151689/......g-terror
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/amaz......135.html
"The police chief, Edward Deveau, describes how cops nearly apprehended the older suspect, and were placing handcuffs on him in the middle of the street Thursday night, when the younger suspect came at officers in a carjacked SUV. The cops were able "to dive out of the way," and the younger suspect then continued to drive directly over his brother and dragging him through the street. That's how the older suspect died, according to the police chief." |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 09:24, landmark wrote: Well, not exactly. Several of the 'admitted' false flag operations in that list were of operations that apparently were never actually performed. Having someone propose or discuss a possible false flag operation or suggest that they wouldn't put it past the government to actually perform one, isn't quite the same as actually doing one. Happily, I didn't see any operations in the list where the US government actually performed some type of operation against their own people. (Although, selling automatic weapons to Mexican drug lords that are later used on US citizens does come close. Not exactly the definition of a false flag operation though unless the intent really was to strengthen the argument for gun control.) |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Rockwall-
While I agree that Operation Fast and Furious was ill-advised and thoroughly botched, its purpose was to find drug overlords by locating their straw man purchasers and following the weapons to them. There's plenty of blame to go around over Fast and Furious, but I find it hard to believe that it had anything to do with promoting gun control laws. It should also be noted that Fast and Furious was basically a continuation of the same strategy used during the Bush administration under Operation Wide Receiver, the first so-called "gun walking" scheme. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalk......Receiver |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Are you referring to the operation started by the Bush administration that they later stopped when it became obvious that they were not able to accurately track the guns?
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Opinions on declaring the Boston bomber's enemy combatants?
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
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On 2013-04-19 18:21, General_Magician wrote: Dude.... Was that a type of joke? Both in tone and word choice?
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 04:37, LobowolfXXX wrote: Tommy, I know you don't believe this-but LOBO had me laughing out loud with that
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 13:31, mastermindreader wrote: Even though I KNEW it would be a republicans fault eventually and even more spacifically Bushes fault I have to ask the following. How can you blame a progam that was stopped in a previous administrator ion when the next one does the same thing? Even when they don't learn from why the first people stopped it? How many border control agents were killed during Wide Receiver? Wiki didn't mention?
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/.......twitter
"FBI hunting 12-strong terrorist “sleeper cell” linked to brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev" |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 13:45, rockwall wrote: I personally think we should declare them as enemy combatants. It is most likely these two were part of or were the sleeper cell. Currently, we are at war with Islamic extremists and so they should be treated as enemy combatants. However, that being said, we must also be very careful not to shred our Constitution and our rights, but those rights and values have to be balanced with the cold reality we are in a state of war against Islamic extremists. You have ideals but then there is reality and you can't let idealism blind you to reality. To me, this is a war that was declared really before 9/11 and we didn't pay attention or understand the reality until 9/11. We also cannot allow our idealism to blind us to the reality that we need to take measures to defend ourselves but we also don't want to get so carried away with defending ourselves that we totally and completely forget our values either that are enshrined in our laws and Constitution. So, it's a tricky balancing act. As you can see, this is a unique and serious threat we hadn't faced in he past before 9/11 and it's a threat not to be under-estimated. We should also be very careful on who we let in this country. You don't want to make the country inhospitable to immigration or foreign visitors, but you also don't want to let in people who will attack our country. We have to keep in mind the reality we are in a state of war and our country is a target for these Islamic extremists but we also don't want to just completely discard our values that are enshrined in our laws and constitution either.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 13:45, rockwall wrote: I posted this before, but since you asked, in the main, I am in agreement with the author: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/......a-rights There is a reason we have a set of rights that are written down; it is so that in extreme times, we can look back and remember what our national values are, even when--especially when--we are under duress.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Were the brothers American citizens? If so they should and do deserve the full protections of the constitution.
It might not be convienent. But it is what is right. We can't change the rules out of fear.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 16:44, Dannydoyle wrote: You have ignored the fact that rockwall suggested that F&F may have been just a ploy to promote anti-gun legislation. The purpose of Fast and Furious was the same as Wide Receiver. BOTH were ill-conceived ideas but they both had the same goal- to "walk back" the weapons back to drug overlords. NEITHER had anything to do with a political agenda related to gun control. Sometimes in your haste to disagree with ANYTHING that some of us post you completely miss the point. |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 17:35, Dannydoyle wrote: The government has a duty to protect the American people from foreign attack. I personally think these guys were part of a sleeper cell that had foreign roots and if any American citizen participates in an act of terrorism that has foreign roots, then it's open season on them as far as I am concerned and they cease to be Americans (they are traitors committing an act of treason). These foreign terrorist organizations will also seek to exploit people who have American citizenship if they can. They do this as part of a grander strategy to chip away at our values, BUT, we also have no choice but to balance our values with the reality we are faced with. If we simply do not balance reality with our values and stick only with our ideals, then we will be opening ourselves up and making ourselves vulnerable to attack. You cannot be blinded by idealism and you have to adapt to reality, but values are also important too, but must be balanced with the reality that is faced. Keep in mind I am not advocating completely doing away with our rights, constitution or values. I am advocating a balanced approach which takes into account the reality we are facing without allowing ourselves to be blinded by idealism. We have to be balanced and flexible in our approach in combating Islamic terrorism. We can't be inflexible or unbalanced.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 17:35, Dannydoyle wrote: We agree! At last! |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
General_Magician said it well.
I say a questionable citizenship should be questioned. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 17:46, General_Magician wrote: I am afraid Bob and I are about to agree again. Where do you draw a definable line? One which will not.be manipulated and end up really eroding the rights of us all. The constitution is very important and the reason I get so enraged by people who circumvent it is because it weakens us all. Once we are driven from the principals that have brought us to greatness we will cease to be great. Yes it means eternal vigilance but it is worth it. It also means standing up for it because it is their right, even if what they have done is a bit reprehensible. If there are provisions for things within our rights then so be it.
Danny Doyle
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-04-21 18:06, TomBoleware wrote: Absolutely! |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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I am afraid Bob and I are about to agree again. Woah! We do! I'm going to buy a lottery ticket right now! You should too. |
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