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Looks like a very bad accident has happened.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22195495
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Strange timing.

Tomorrow is the twentieth anniversary of the end of the siege in Waco.
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That thought crossed my mind too, but I suspect and hope, it was an accident.

That said, the article above indicates, "The West Fertilizer plant is right on the edge of town, only a few hundred metres from houses, a school and nursing home."

How could the authorities let that happen? Clearly a fertilizer plant is going to be at risk for accidents. How do you build it near a school? Where I live, you're not even allowed to have a bar next to a school, never mind a dangerous chemical plant.
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Perhaps the factory was there first.
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On 2013-04-18 09:46, Woland wrote:

Perhaps the factory was there first.

Either way, this demonstrates that Texas is clearly pro-business.

Either the fertilizer plant owners were given permission to build near residential areas, or property developers were given permission to build homes next to a de facto bomb plant. Well done, Texas!
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Does this mean we will hunt down and bring to justice all capitalists--or at least put them on no-fly lists?
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If only you were the dictator of the world, balducci, then everything would be perfect, wouldn't it?
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If only you were the dictator of the world, balducci, then everything would be perfect, wouldn't it?

Wow, where does that come from?!?

Okay, Woland, so which is it you support? Building homes and schools right beside dangerous chemical plants, or vice versa?
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Of course everyone but yiu is an idiot.
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One factory happens to be built in a location that you find undesirable, and this is your pretext for an attack on Texas in general, and on being "pro-business." As if "Texas" built that factory and those homes.
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Woland, you know that Texas has conservatives and centrists [/irony] can't stand those types.
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Hi Lobo,

I regret making a sarcastic remark. All this criticism of the Republic of Texas must be getting to me.

The explosion at the BASF plant at Oppau in the Palatinate in 1921 was much worse. Although ammonium nitrate was known to be somewhat explosive, nobody apparently appreciated how explosive it was. A packed mass of solidified ammonium nitrate - about 5,000 tons - was ignited when pickaxes and small charges of dynamite were being used to break it up for removal. 500 were killed.
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I agree with Balducci - but I wouldn't condemn a "pro-business" approach, there's nothing inherently wrong with that.

What is shocking, is that "business" (for that, read "money")....is commonly put above the interests of the general population, of the environment, and of common sense, all over the World. Money, it seems, is more important than anything else.

But, a fascinating thing, is to consider "what is money"?

The bits of paper and metal discs we're familiar with, mean absolutely nothing to any living creature, apart from Human Beings. They are inert, produce nothing, and merely represent something. What exactly, can that be?

Money is, in fact, to all intents and purposes, a representation of Human Energy. Money is exchanged for the efforts and time of Humans, in almost every circumstance.

It's ironic, then, that "Human Energy" is placed above the interests of Human Beings.

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Hi Lobo,

I regret making a sarcastic remark. All this criticism of the Republic of Texas must be getting to me.

The explosion at the BASF plant at Oppau in the Palatinate in 1921 was much worse. Although ammonium nitrate was known to be somewhat explosive, nobody apparently appreciated how explosive it was. A packed mass of solidified ammonium nitrate - about 5,000 tons - was ignited when pickaxes and small charges of dynamite were being used to break it up for removal. 500 were killed.

Well I'm certainly glad Texas learned from that experience. Or didn't.
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Our condolences to America, to the people of Texas and all those families who have had their people killed and injured in this tragedy. I feared far more people had been killed and injured. They who helped save so many from all of that which looked so very bad to me, whoever they are, must have done a magnificent job.
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On 2013-04-18 13:54, Woland wrote:
The explosion at the BASF plant at Oppau in the Palatinate in 1921 was much worse. Although ammonium nitrate was known to be somewhat explosive, nobody apparently appreciated how explosive it was. A packed mass of solidified ammonium nitrate - about 5,000 tons - was ignited when pickaxes and small charges of dynamite were being used to break it up for removal. 500 were killed.


You don't have to go that far back. The Texas City explosion in 1947 of a tanker filled with ammonium nitrate leveled much of the town killing 581 and injuring over 5000. It is considered the worst industrial accident in American History.
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Hi Payne,

Thanks for that history! I mentioned the Oppau explosion because it was the first big ammonium nitrate explosion, I think. The engineers and workers at the BASF plant thought they were operating within safe limits. This is what the BASF website says about it:

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On September 21, 1921, the new Oppau site is rocked by a huge explosion that claims more than 500 lives and causes considerable damage to the site and neighboring community. The accident occurs during blasts carried out to loosen ammonium nitrate sulfate fertilizer stored in a warehouse.

At the memorial service, Carl Bosch says: "The disaster was caused neither by carelessness nor human failure. Unknown natural factors that we are still unable to explain today have made a mockery of all our efforts.

The very substance intended to provide food and life to millions of our countrymen and which we have produced and supplied for years has suddenly become a cruel enemy for reasons we are as yet unable to fathom. It has reduced our site to rubble.

But what is that compared to the victims whose lives this disaster has claimed. We stand here today helpless and powerless, and whatever we can do to comfort their grieving families and the injured is nothing compared to what they have lost."
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One factory happens to be built in a location that you find undesirable, and this is your pretext for an attack on Texas in general, and on being "pro-business." As if "Texas" built that factory and those homes.


Texas has cultivated a background of "cowboy retoric" making certain the country understood that they knew what was best and that they didn't need any "leftist" rules or regulations.
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On 2013-04-18 10:09, balducci wrote:
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On 2013-04-18 09:46, Woland wrote:

Perhaps the factory was there first.

Either way, this demonstrates that Texas is clearly pro-business.

Either the fertilizer plant owners were given permission to build near residential areas, or property developers were given permission to build homes next to a de facto bomb plant. Well done, Texas!


Hmmm, doesn't seem that just Texas builds potentially dangerous things near civilization. Well done, pretty much the entire East Coast!

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Oh yes we get it already. The world would be so much safer if we just had more government control of all aspects of our lives. No explosions or fires would ever happen and the world would be the perfect temperature if only liberals were in charge of everything. Things would be just like the utopia called Chicago where everyone gets along and nobody ever even raises their voice much less kills anyone. Certainly the gun pandemic is stemmed at the city limits.
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