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magic123
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Here is a link so perforners can see exactly what

Big Business & Government is doing to the Arts in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S7KH3cIfB8&feature=share

You can feel the Sadiness in the Guys Voice,
Just heard of a juggler being fined $ 450.00 for doing a show in Times Squair.

Shamful Mr. Doomberg and NYC Parks Dept.


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I know that Tic and tac are still working in Washington square park, at least they were last summer when I was in NY

as for the rest of the city....... .... what a shame. it doesn't surprise me though with all of the "terrorism" going on
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Yeah, because there's nothing scarier than a guy with a deck of cards.
Are we going to see the "characters" rounded up? Because if -I- were going to suicide bomb, a big bulky character suit like that would be right up my alley.

As anybody who follows me on this area knows, I'm a guy who follows the rules. But when the rules become this Draconian, even I think it's wrong.
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"In 1970 poet Allen Ginsberg challenged the constitutionality of this ban. The ban was lifted in 1970 after being found to be unconstitutional by NYC Mayor John V. Lindsay".

You don't need a permit to perform in Ties Square if you have no amplification. They allow people to get permits to give "hate speeches" so it's against the law for them to stop performing. What they count on is that the people that get arrested don't have the money to challenge it.

I think at first you're just asked to leave, unless " The Brass" gives orders to arrest ticket sellers, performers etc. The judge usually dismisses the charge ( because it's not illegal ) but it's a annoying to go to jail for 24 hrs.

But, Times Square busking has been ruined not by musicians/magicians, but by urchins:

http://gawker.com/5612009/times-square-t......ewdriver

I was there a couple of years ago and a fight broke out between a guy painted gold and a comedy show ticket seller over a corner spot. The gold guy got arrested.
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The recent Cookie Monster attacking toddler just gave them more ammunition...
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Quote:
On 2013-04-25 20:52, imgic wrote:
The recent Cookie Monster attacking toddler just gave them more ammunition...


Some NYC tourists think those characters work for the city or shops and don't know to tip them. The M&M store has their costumed candies that work for the store and don't get tipped.

But, some of those characters swear at people when not tipped. They ruin it for everyone else.
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NYC has always had issues when it comes to busking. They didn't learn much when sued by Robert Turley.
Meet you in Busker Alley Smile
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My good friend,Jeff, that goes to N.Y.U.and busk at Washington Square just posted this on his facebook.

http://nyulocal.com/city/2013/04/24/im-d......c-parks/
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DonDriver, thank you for sharing this info with us!
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The laws are ******** and we're gonna keep fighting them.

Oh- Jeff here, Don's good friend/ student.

It's the Park and Recs people, not the NYPD. NYPD don't give a rat's ass about us but the parks and rec people have sticks up their asses when it comes to us buskers.

I'm sure this will get knocked down just like every other law has that they've tried to pass
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PLEASE Sign this as you Rights as of Free Speech & Expresion as Performers are at stake.
This IS far more important than the trick of the month, or how to get a crowd.

https://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-m......-perform
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I clicked the link and it says 'Not Found'. I will gladly sign the petition.
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Here is the Latest-



To: Robert Lederman <artistpres@gmail.com>
> Bcc: joemangrum@joemangrum.com

>
> Parks Department Can’t Get Its Story Straight
> by Robert Lederman

>
> Last night (5/1/13) Manhattan Parks Commissioner William Castro tried
> his best to calm the fears of musicians, performers and community
> members about a newly amended park rule that severely restricts the
> right to perform for donations in NYC parks.
>
> The Commissioner gave a detailed 15 minute explanation to a packed
> hearing before Community Board #2’s Parks Committee about the effect
> of the just passed amendment to the Park Department’s “expressive
> matter vending regulations.”
>
> “This rule is not going to affect the musicians who come to the park
> to play” stated Castro. “You can perform from park benches, right next
> to a statue or on the grass…You don’t need a permit, you are not going
> to be asked to leave the park, you won’t get a ticket. You can pass
> the hat, collect donations, you are fine.”
>
> 15 minute video of Commissioner Castro’s statement
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm0ZRkOx06E
>
> Official Parks Dept statement of the new rule for performers:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/139075852/Expr......Adoption
>
> Castro went on to give detailed descriptions of how park performers
> will be allowed to perform everywhere in Washington Square Park, to
> set up tables, to vend CDs while performing and to work right next to
> fountains, arches and other park monuments.
>
> Earlier that same day, the Parks Department was telling a very different story.
>
> In a 75 page response brief filed earlier that morning in a First
> Amendment Federal lawsuit about the expressive matter vending rules,
> Parks Department lawyers claimed that performers and visual artists
> were both treated equally under, and both had to follow, the same
> rules. The City defendants have claimed throughout their legal
> submissions, in sworn affidavits and in oral testimony before the
> court that the rules are enforced equally against both visual artists
> and performers.
>
> The case, Lederman et al v Parks Department, is now being considered
> by the Second circuit Federal Appeals Court.
>
> From pg. 14 of the City defendant's answering brief filed May 1, 2013
>
> “In this regard, therefore, all of plaintiffs’ contentions that the
> City’s disparate treatment of performers and artists demonstrates that
> the Vending Rules are not content-neutral are now moot. The fact that
> artists who sell merchandise for money and artists who perform in
> exchange for a donation are equally subject to the Vending Rules, as
> the City had originally intended, evidences the City’s effort and
> intent to treat all expressive-matter vendors similarly.”
>
> Hundreds of artists have been excluded from parks across the city by
> the rules, which ban artists from selling on grass or plantings;
> within 50 feet of a monument, fountain or arch; and require that they
> be a minimum distance of five feet from trees, signs, walls, benches,
> fences and other park furniture. Additionally, they must be set up by
> a curb on a park path with a minimum pedestrian clearance of 12 feet
> from the outside edge of the artists’ 3 foot wide stand, i.e. a 15
> foot wide path is required. There are almost no park paths that are 15
> feet wide or wider.
>
> In four parks, Union Square, Central Park, Battery Park and on the
> High Line, artists are only allowed to vend on a very limited number
> of medallion marked spots located, except for the High Line,
> completely outside the parks.
>
> Earlier this week, City Councilmember Mellisa Mark-Viverito requested
> the Parks Department to revoke the rule. The Councilmember is chair of
> the City Council Parks Committee.
>
> In a related development the same evening as Commissioner Castro’s
> appearance, N.Y. State Assemblymember Debra J. Glick’s office
> delivered a letter to Community Board #2 strongly protesting the
> performer rule. See letter here:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/139076849/Glic......ark-Rule
>
> The letter describes how a year ago Commissioner Castro gave the same
> assurances that performers would no longer be summonsed or banned
> after hundreds of summonses had been issued to performers under the
> rules. Many of the performers who attended last night’s meeting
> described being harassed, being threatened with arrest, ordered to
> leave Washington Square Park and various other parks and being issued
> scores of summonses for illegal vending while doing the exact same
> activities Commissioner Castro was describing as being totally legal.
>
> Commissioner Castro, who stated that he once headed the PEP (Parks
> Enforcement Patrol), blamed the summons blitz on an unnamed PEP
> officer whom Castro stated had issued the summonses completely on his
> own. Performers strongly objected to Castro’s statement that the
> summonses, which were issued in numerous parks by various officers
> acting under the direct supervision of high ranking PEP officials,
> were an aberration or that only one officer was involved.
>
> Park advocate Geoffrey Croft, who was closely involved in the summons
> blitz controversy in 2011, gave an impassioned defense of the PEP and
> strongly criticized Commissioner Castro for blaming PEP officers for
> what was clearly a Parks Department official policy.
>
> A number of performers at the meeting, including famed Washington Sq
> Park pianist Collin Huggins and sand painter Joe Mangrum, expressed
> concern that they did not know who to believe, since the published
> rules for performers clearly contradicted almost every statement that
> Commissioner Castro was making.
>
> Manhattan Borough Commissioner William T. Castro (212) 408-0201
>
> Veronica M. White, NYC Parks Commissioner (212) 360-1305
> Veronica.White@parks.nyc.gov
>
> Parks legal counsel Alessandro Olivieri (212) 360-1314
> alessandro.olivieri@parks.nyc.gov
>
> City Councilmember Mellisa Mark-Viverito 212-788-6960 mviverito@council.nyc.gov
>
> Community Board #2 212-979-2272 Rich Caccappolo, Chair Parks Committee
>
> Robert Lederman, President of A.R.T.I.S.T. 201 896-1686 artistpres@gmail.com
>
> Senior PEP (Parks Enforcement Patrol) officers stationed in WSP have
> explained to performers (see video linked below) that, “there is no
> location in WSP where you can do this legally.”
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b55iEv5-qDg
>
> Petition to stop the rules with hundreds of performer signatures and
> personal statements:
> https://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-m......-artists
>
> For a detailed report on this issue see:
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/136741106/Park......%93Again
>
> Full text of Expressive Matter Vending Rules
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/110304750/Expressive-Matter-Rule
>
> NOTE: The Parks Department recently removed the full text of the rules
> form its website. It has substituted a FAQ that omits most of the
> important legal language as well as details about enforcement.

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Signed it with a note that artists and performers are an important part of the city life. I hope he reconsiders this.
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For the record anyone can still perform anywhere in central park outside of the boxed zones on this map. So for central park at least, this is not a total ban.

http://i.imgur.com/dgUPtf1.png
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Hi Brian,

Where exactly did you accquire this map ? and did someone in authority make it clear that 'this is not a Total Ban ?


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Why do you have to be outside those boxed zones?

Is an "expressive artist vendor" another word for busker? Or is this someone doing "art" (sketches and the like) which they are then selling?
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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It all starts with 'boxed zones' , then it goes to larger 'boxed zones' until all the parks are the boxed zones.
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Quote:
On 2013-05-07 22:16, ed rhodes wrote:
Why do you have to be outside those boxed zones?

Is an "expressive artist vendor" another word for busker? Or is this someone doing "art" (sketches and the like) which they are then selling?


Yes, expressive matter vendor means busker the way they've defined it.
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