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I wanted to second the Coin One Video. The teaching techniques are awesome for getting the timing and misdirection. The section showing the routine from the performers perspective in regular speed and slow motion are great for learning the routine. They show you what it should look like from your side and what the spectator sees.

I only have one complaint about Homer Liwag's Coin One video is that is the HANDS! My GOD those are the scariest, most terrible looking HANDS I have ever seen! They can't be his real hands, I just don't believe it....
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Lots of good talk here already, so my 2 cents is perhaps already depleted about by 1 1/2 cents. Smile

Anyway, Roth's [ Coins Across is primo. I'd say what Homer Liwag (brilliant worker) does with the concept in his remarkable Coin One DVD is what youthful creativity does to any already great idea. It's like sprinkling what Mark Zuckerberg did with Facebook all over computer progenitors like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs. Smile Sorta like, this is what this thing is, and here's what it can do on steroids. Smile

Hey Gr8, as brilliant as Liwag's hands are (if you only knew), it is just the tip of the iceberg as to his abiliities and creativity, in magic, in a lot of things. I believe his Coin One comes from his once underground sensation effect, 4 Coins and a Filipino. Never paid attention to what his hands look like as I was just mesmirized as to what he could do with them, coins, cards, closeup, whatever! Like I said, he's an amazing worker and Roth knows him well, and the respect is more than mutual, I assure you. Smile Anyone that has seen him work knows he's the real deal and then some.

Coin One has some really unique moves to it and a very different flow/style from Roth's but and equal appreciation should be given for the same sorts of brilliance and creativity. Both routines are worth learning and are some of the very best effects utilizing an X [ and 3-4 coins anywhere.
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It is also important to mention Ponta the Smith's Sick DVD. He gives credit to Liwag and others for certain moves.
After a first viewing, one is overwhelmed by his finger-flicking. But after watching it a number of times, you start to notice some incredible moves which can allow you to do a no-shell version of coins across.

So although Ponta uses only regular coins on this DVD, some of his moves have advanced from Liwag's and others' moves. If you are looking to do a coins across with a ], which is highly magical, fairly easy, and straightforward, Roth's routine is the effect for you. Homer Liwag's routine would be more visible but also much more difficult.

But eventually, if you want to create your own version of coins across, it would be wise to sift through Ponta's Sick DVD, to get some great ideas
to create your own unique routine, based on all of the above.
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Paul Green's DVD In The Trenches has a routine, Above, Beside, or Below that is a coins across with that magic happening in their hand. It's a worker!
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Hello Al,

Here are some of my work through the years. I hope this will spark some ideas for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3yDX_Lwmo
My take on the classic TRANSLOCATOR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-2wHIOlV44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAh36G0Mi1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEJqi0hCi8M (just foolin around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fPib9cJ-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzDuZu4cw4

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOwExcbYL74

PM me your email and I will gladly send you the manuscripts of SENCILLO

Cheers from Sunny Manila!

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Wow! Rannie, I had no idea...good stuff!

I agree on all the above. Al, may I suggest a great routine with an expanded [ and three coins?

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S9309

It's out of stock at Penguin, but if you can find it, this is some very cutting edge stuff here! Just the "Stealth Dump" is light years ahead of the common stuff.

Look around. You might find a copy! Smile

Doug
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Mb,

I was joking of course. If you look at Homer's site and his Coin 2 video, he jokes about how his hands are the worst hands in Magic. I believe he is referring to the calloused look of his hands....
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On 2013-05-20 09:41, Dougini wrote:
Wow! Rannie, I had no idea...good stuff!

I agree on all the above. Al, may I suggest a great routine with an expanded [ and three coins?

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S9309

It's out of stock at Penguin, but if you can find it, this is some very cutting edge stuff here! Just the "Stealth Dump" is light years ahead of the common stuff.

Great stuff there!

Look around. You might find a copy! Smile

Doug
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On 2013-05-19 17:43, Gr8gorilla wrote:
I wanted to second the Coin One Video. The teaching techniques are awesome for getting the timing and misdirection. The section showing the routine from the performers perspective in regular speed and slow motion are great for learning the routine. They show you what it should look like from your side and what the spectator sees.

I only have one complaint about Homer Liwag's Coin One video is that is the HANDS! My GOD those are the scariest, most terrible looking HANDS I have ever seen! They can't be his real hands, I just don't believe it....
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On 2013-05-04 13:07, Al Desmond wrote:
Title says it all. What would be your recommendations for routines using an expanded shell and 4 coins. Matrix routines, coins across etc. I've never ventured into that area of coin routines and I'm interested in your favorites.


Expanded Shells (World's Greatest Magic)

Here's a taste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqCXE3rxB6o

You will learn MIRACLE routines that will gobsmack any audience:

DAVID ROTH
Coins Across - Coin Through Glass
Coins Through Table - Photo Coins
Perfected Coin Through Handkerchief

DAN HARLAN
Rising Dough

MARK LEVERIDGE
Slo Mo

HARRY ALLEN
China Change

JON ALLEN
Coins Across

Michael Ammar
Shadow Coins

GARRETT THOMAS
Imagination Coins
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Rannie, good to see you back on here. Seems I haven't talked to you in a long while.

I'm not much of a coin guy, but I have 1 small thing to add. Besides Shell Coins Across which was mentioned at the very top, I'd like to add A Familiar Ring by Paul Gertner. It's based on Roth's routine and is brilliant.
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Let us not forget Derek Dingle's 'Silver Quick' from Apocalypse Volume One and is also in The Complete Works of Drek Dingle by Richard Kaufman.
It is four coins across into audience member's hand. You can also find it on DVD here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S5929
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All good suggestions... I went with the "Expanded Shell" DVD... and started with a silver Kennedy expanded set, tried a Van Dokkum Eisenhower set... and I've settled on Lassen WL set... I like the weight and feel of those coins.

Oh... and I got these lecture notes and a large manuscript from this guy named David Neighbors (or something like that Smile Hi David... I won't be at the next two Roundtables... I will be in two casting sessions for my next play production in the fall... see you in three weeks)

All in all... I have enough material to keep me busy for a while... I want to become good at a few routines... not just passable at a whole lot of routines. Thanks for all the input.
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Since no one has said it yet, I will: Geoff Latta's "Slippery Silver" from Apocalypse 1-5. I actually haven't seen it mentioned much here on the Café at all, but I really like it.
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Hi Al,
Ok see you then man! Missed you last Sat.! Smile
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On 2013-05-20 10:42, Gr8gorilla wrote:
Mb,

I was joking of course. If you look at Homer's site and his Coin 2 video, he jokes about how his hands are the worst hands in Magic. I believe he is referring to the calloused look of his hands....


Having known Homer from his days in Cincinnati, I can tell you, his hands feel as bad as they look. When you shake hands with him, they are like sandpaper, but watching them for just a few minutes, they eventually start to look like silk. Best close up magician I have ever seen.
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Latta's Slippery Silver and Not So Slippery Silver are on volume one of the NYCMS DVD series.
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And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used on the book.
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You will find an easy to do three coins across routine by Damian Jennings in the July 2013 issue of Genii. And the article, written by Ian Kendall goes into detail of the misdirection used, something sadly neglected in most published routines of this type.
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On 2013-07-06 04:06, Quentin wrote:
You will find an easy to do three coins across routine by Damian Jennings in the July 2013 issue of Genii. And the article, written by Ian Kendall goes into detail of the misdirection used, something sadly neglected in most published routines of this type.


Excellent article! I read it last week and have already been working on that routine.

Thanks!

Jim
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Doug Brewer's "Sounds Familiar" from his 'The Unexpected Stranger' book (or dvd). A great routine that happens in the spectator's hands - requires various sleights, but nothing too knuckle-busting, and it has a great finale! As I have mentioned before, this is a great book with great routines - I have performed (and still perform) several of the effects from this book, and find this to be a fantastic bargain. His coin in bottle is one of my favorite routines and always gets great reactions. Buy it - you won't regret it (I prefer the book to the videos, FWIW).
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