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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Somehow I doubt it. Funny tho
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The Mighty Fool Inner circle I feel like a big-top tent having 2140 Posts |
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On 2013-05-13 15:52, cwbny wrote: That's kinda what I said in my first post on this thread. Assuming you already HAVE a good (or at least passable) stage-presence and comedic asenal, which effect gets the strongest response? Look at it this way: You could argue all day that when it comes to firearms, the most important 'weapon' to have is a sharp eye & a steady hand. True. But if someone were to inquire as to which gun / ammo delivered the most impact, going on and on and stubbornly on about how it's the aim /steady-hand thing which they need.... would be useless.
Everybody wants to beleive.....we just help them along.
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KC Cameron Inner circle Raleigh, North Carolina 1944 Posts |
This is what I believe Frank means -
I (personally) thought the Misers Dream was one of the most boring magic tricks available . . . . until I saw Capehart do it. Now it is a favorite of mine. It is not the trick, it is presentation. I don't think you can compare guns to tricks . . . a gun is complete by itself, a prop is open to interpretation. Perhaps we could look at "Mr. Hankey" on South Park. Not the first thing I would think about animating, but very successful. Even poo can be a hit. |
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Gary Shelton Regular user 183 Posts |
Carry a car load of props/equipment in and out to several shows a day.
all the while making it look like magic... |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Fool,
The reason that bringing up character/presentation/connection over tricks is so important is that it's really the ONLY thing that matters when it comes down to it. I realize there are some performers that are so dull that they NEED certain types of tricks to basically take the attention off of themselves and onto something else. Until they get some confidence and an idea of what performing actually is, they're stuck with finding tricks to do the entertaining. I'm not sure we can really do much about that. For everyone else, a somewhat constant reminder to look within and not at someone else's list of tricks, is essential.
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
I agree. The performer can make anything look good if they are fun. I never really was a fan of watching rope magic until I saw Mac King
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Or Karrel Fox's imp bottle routine.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
The first trick I do for every show is "the vanishing Ketchup bottle", because it establishes me as a guy who is full of surprises.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
I agree. The performer can make anything look good if they are fun. I never really was a fan of watching rope magic until I saw Mac King
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
There are a number of routines that I get great comments about. Linking Rings and Tonsil Tickler always get raves. The Egg Bag gets the most raves, if the audience singles out a routine.
As time goes on, I tend to prefer routines that require a gutsy presentation. One example is my Slydini Silks routine. It ends with Vernon's Fadeaway Knot. That phase of the routine doesn't seem like it would fool anyone, but the details are what sells it. That phase gets gasps! Blackstone Jr. sold me on using that phase, when he used it in his Dancing Hank routine. Tarbell and John Carney provided additional work and it became what it is today. |
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
Quote: Awesome trick. Love it
On 2013-05-15 09:52, Al Angello wrote: |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Eric
I wish you told me how you felt about rope magic, because up close I could change your mind.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
I still want to come see your whole show, Al
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Michael238 Inner circle 1192 Posts |
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White Rodent New user Australia 84 Posts |
The strongest thing I do is NOT the tricks. I don't think it is the trick which makes the magician. No. It is the magician who makes the trick! In other words what I am trying to say is that it doesn't really matter what you do if you have some way of entrancing and enthralling that audience. With kids the best way to their heart is laughter and most importantly INTERACTION. I see too many magicians perform AT the children rather than with them.
The strongest thing that I do is make the kids laugh when I want them to, rile them up when I want to, quieten them down within seconds of riling them up when I want to. And I know there are others that can do exactly the same thing. It isn't rocket science. If you like the kids they will like you. And if they like you they will do what you want and when you want it. I don't think I have ever had a difficult child in all the years I have been working. Not one. THAT is probably the strongest thing I do. |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Along with laughter, do any of you strong folks, include any other emotions.
Fear Jealousy Anger Grief Compassion As far as difficult children, the one I face the most is myself. One never knows what one will get to face in live theatre. During the warm up at a show last weekend, there were several "special needs adults"(fill in your own p/c term there) One lady put her arms out for a hug. We hugged. A few minutes later she smiled and relaxed. That was about the strongest thing I did. (yes there were a few more shorter hugs after that prior to the show.) Harris still 2 old to know it all
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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White Rodent New user Australia 84 Posts |
I am curious to know how those 5 emotions can be incorporated into a kid show. I expect you have a way.
One emotion I consistently see magicians use in a kid show is boredom. They certainly know how to incorporate that one. |
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WhirlwindEnts New user 50 Posts |
The one item which always plays well for me is my fire book. Both children and adults alike go crazy for this and it's always requested when the bookings call in.
I appreciate though that this effect will not suit all of you. Some will not want to use fire and others will try to perform this effect but will fail to understand how to play this incredible effect carefully enough not to upset children. Steve |
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White Rodent New user Australia 84 Posts |
Fire should not be used in a children's show under any circumstances whether the audience go crazy for it or not. It is nothing to with upsetting children. It is a very bad thing to do because children copy. This is children's entertainment 101. Alas many magicians seem to do very unsuitable material for children. They use fire, put things in their mouths, do danger tricks like arm choppers etc; and generally perform in an inappropriate manner. It is a trend I deplore and should be eschewed forthwith.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Fear...
I react out of fear of doing something. Sometimes it is played straight sometimes overplayed for comedy. Jealousy...during a vent routine..one puppet is jealous of another's ability. Sadness....sometimes a puppet or character I portray, shares about the loss/death of an animal or say grandparent... Compassion...when an audience volunteer makes a mistake...the rest of the audience laughs. sometimes I let it go and go on.. other times I stop, and talk about comedy rule 114...anything is funny as long as it is happening to someone else. "Give her/him a hand for trying..it's not easy being in front of 732 people" Can all this be used during a show....I say yes in my shows... No not in all of them..each one is different. Can it work for you? 3 of my strongest words... I don't know. Harris still 2 old to know it all
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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