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Yes. IF this story is true, then this is truly sad.
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Indeed it is true. I've talked with Jan directly about it.
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I predict (keep in mind, I am NOT a mentalist!) that his show in Vegas won't last much longer.
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On 2013-05-10 08:40, Mike Maturen wrote:
I predict (keep in mind, I am NOT a mentalist!) that his show in Vegas won't last much longer.


Eh...I disagree. Spike TV will pump him back up in the public's eye and he'll continue being successful at the Luxor simply because of the tourists who come to see him. The locals? Looks like some of them know better already...but he'll be just fine. That's my prediction.
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On 2013-05-10 08:40, Mike Maturen wrote:
I predict (keep in mind, I am NOT a mentalist!) that his show in Vegas won't last much longer.


I predict the show will run for another five years, as that is the length of his contract.
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On 2013-05-10 10:36, Matt Adams wrote:

Eh...I disagree. Spike TV will pump him back up in the public's eye and he'll continue being successful at the Luxor simply because of the tourists who come to see him. The locals? Looks like some of them know better already...but he'll be just fine. That's my prediction.



Spike TV is the rated 24th amongst the ad supported cable networks so I doubt Cris will get much of a bump in his popularity by appearing on this somewhat obscure cable channel. A&E, his former home, is generally among the top 5 rated cable channels. Even when his show aired on that channel he remained relatively obscure. Most non-magicians I know have never heard of him or can't put a name to the face. I doubt he will gain many new viewers or followers on his new channel squeezed in between Big Time Wrestling and reruns of The Ultimate Warrior. He's definately on the downward spiral.
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Also note, Jan has registered his illusion with the Illusion Repository. Here's the info:

http://www.illusionrepository.com/reposi......f-death/
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Criss Angel messes up the trick and it is caught on tape

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA1jH38ASw4
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This is so sad.
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I talked to Jan and the auhorized builder about getting right rights to build a slightly different version of this trick for a client.. his rights aren't cheap... and he has to approve any changes. I wanted to change the method and the general effect quite a bit for reasons I won't go into here... and it didn't' seem to me that either he or the authorized builder really wanted to make the changes...

With Criss's money... he could have just asked... the rights are available.. perhaps not for TV.. but for a stage version..
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I currently am performing daily at at Theme Park in OKC. Part of my show is a close up bit on IMAG. My patter asks the audience who remembers Mark Wilson, Doug Henning, David Copperfield, David Blaine, and Chris Angel? Famous magicians on television. Very few even remember Copperfield, or Henning . None remember Mark Wilson. All know David Blaine and overwhelmingly Chris Angel. It is AMAZING to me that the public remembers what it remembers. Pretty sad that Copperfield, in my opinion the greatest of all time, is now in obusurity.
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David: Herein is the problem.....

Copperfield is largely not on TV anymore. When he was doing an almost yearly show, virtually everyone knew him.

Angel (unfortunately) seems to be in permanent re-run.
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That is totally correct. Out of site, out of mind.
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I have done a particular keynote for entrepreneurial high school students (called Camp Enterprise) for over 10 years now - in one of the lessons I ask how many remember Henning (none - and this is in Canada right where he started), DC (2 or 3), David Blane (none), Angel (actually not as many as you would think maybe 40%) - Houdini (a good 80+%). Interesting.

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On 2013-05-09 22:43, Matt Adams wrote:
Indeed it is true. I've talked with Jan directly about it.

So now Rouven is complaining? Really?
Strange!

PS: I'm not at all defending what Angel did. Wrong is wrong.
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On 2013-05-11 18:44, JoyJoy wrote:
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On 2013-05-09 22:43, Matt Adams wrote:
Indeed it is true. I've talked with Jan directly about it.

So now Rouven is complaining? Really?
Strange!

PS: I'm not at all defending what Angel did. Wrong is wrong.


So what then is the point of your post? Jan has protested this from the beginning - including when Criss came to his show multiple times, came backstage, TRIED to look at Jan's prop...etc.
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More to the story too.. I PM'd you Matt . .
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