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What do you think? Is he going to get a new trial?
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Nope.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I don't see it happening, too. I don't think it's in the cards.
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He is two years younger than I am.
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Have you noticed? The news people seem to be doing all they can to keep from laughing at this one. Apparently the hot money is on 'No Way, not even a good try'.
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For robbery or for murder?
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On 2013-05-14 17:07, Al Angello wrote:
He is two years younger than I am.


Random...
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On 2013-05-14 17:08, Woland wrote:
For robbery or for murder?


Robbery.

He wants a retrial because his lawyer was so incompetent that he got a "guilty" verdict.

According to the news-readers, 'My lawyer was incompetent' is the most popular reason given for a re-trial request. Also, apparently, "B.S." is also the most popular response from the judges.
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His lawyer was the guy that advised him to do the robbery in the first place.
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I think it's just a ruse so he can find himself in the limelight again. I think his ego has missed it.
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I'm pretty sure wanting to get out of prison is a partial motivation.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Did we just take a teip in the Way Back Machine.
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I'm not a lawyer. But if the bits below are all true, does it all count for nothing?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22515001

Simpson says former defence lawyer, Yale Galanter, was ineffective at the subsequent trial because he had an personal interest in keeping private his own advice to Simpson.

Mr Galanter, according to Simpson, had repeatedly assured him that he could take back items related to his sporting career - items Simpson believed had been stolen - as long as no-one trespassed and no force was used.

The defence lawyer continued to conceal that he had been a witness to the crime, including during an appeal to a state court in 2010, Simpson says.

In a sworn statement outlining his planned testimony, Simpson says Mr Galanter "vigorously discouraged" him from testifying and never told him that prosecutors were willing to let him plead guilty to charges that would have brought a two-year minimum prison term.
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On 2013-05-14 19:30, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I'm pretty sure wanting to get out of prison is a partial motivation.


I think it's the only motivation. I seriously doubt that OJ's primary purpose is to regain the limelight.
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[quote]On 2013-05-14 20:02, balducci wrote:

Mr Galanter, according to Simpson, had repeatedly assured him that he could take back items related to his sporting career - items Simpson believed had been stolen - as long as no-one trespassed and no force was used.

He should have followed that good advice and left the guns at home, since that was what turned it into Armed Robbery.
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Bob is right OJ wants to be free like us, and not famous.
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Since the Header is "O.J.", it is not totally off piste to mention salvaging a small Bronze of a foal, today, from a bequest. The artist's mark on the Bronze is "OJ".

OJ Simpson? Most people I know think DNA evidence of a billion to one is ample to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt. Other people feel differently.

I hope the man accused of April Jones' murder doesn't benefit from similar idiocy on the part of a jury.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22510575

A billion to one.

However egregious the police officers involved are, evidence is evidence.
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I saw the airhead man Kato Kaelin (had to google) somewhere the other day saying OJ was guilty but he was too scared of him at the time to say so - so lock him up too.
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Since the Header is "O.J.", it is not totally off piste to mention salvaging a small Bronze of a foal, today, from a bequest. The artist's mark on the Bronze is "OJ".

OJ Simpson? Most people I know think DNA evidence of a billion to one is ample to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt. Other people feel differently.

I hope the man accused of April Jones' murder doesn't benefit from similar idiocy on the part of a jury.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-22510575

A billion to one.

However egregious the police officers involved are, evidence is evidence.


I believe it was prosecutorial incompetence and errors that led to Simpson's acquittal. The DNA evidence (a fairly new technology at the time) was seriously flawed and became a strong point for the defense:

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Samples from bloody shoeprints leading away from the bodies and from the back gate of the condominium were tested for DNA matches.[10] Initial polymerase chain reaction testing did not rule out Simpson as a suspect. In more precise restriction fragment length polymorphism tests matches were found between Simpson's blood and blood samples taken from the crime scene (both the shoe prints in blood and the gate samples).[9][10]

Police criminalist Dennis Fung testified that this DNA evidence put Simpson at Nicole Brown's townhouse at the time of the murders. But in cross-examination by Barry Scheck, which lasted eight full days, most of the DNA evidence was questioned. Dr. Robin Cotton, of Cellmark Diagnostics, testified for six days.[15] Blood evidence had been tested at two separate laboratories, each conducting different tests.[15]

Despite that safeguard, it emerged during the cross-examination of Fung and the other laboratory scientists that the police scientist Andrea Mazzola (who collected blood samples from Simpson to compare with evidence from the crime scene) was a trainee who carried the vial of Simpson's blood around in her lab coat pocket for nearly a day before handing it over as an exhibit. While two errors had been found in the history of DNA testing at Cellmark, one of the testing laboratories, in 1988 and 1989, the errors were found during quality control tests and had not occurred since.[15] In the 1988 test, one of the companies hired for DNA consulting by Simpson's defense also made the same error.[9] What should have been the prosecution's strong point became their weak link amid accusations that bungling police technicians handled the blood samples with such a degree of incompetence as to render the delivery of accurate and reliable DNA results almost impossible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.J._Simpso......evidence
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Thanks Bob. I remember DNA evidence was in its infancy back then. What an unfortunate case that was, in terms of precedent...

I'm interested in the view that the prosecution was largely to blame as opposed to the jury.
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