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The problem was that the prosecution, through its own ineptitude, failed to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.


But when I suggested to you that Gil Garcetti might have selected a dysfunctional team in order to give O.J. every chance to go free, you derided the idea.
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Yes, because I don't for a minute believe that Garcetti intended to fix the case so that Simpson would go free. And there is no credible evidence, IMO, to support that notion.

As I pointed out, Marcia Clark had already successfully prosecuted a high-profile murder case and was one of the best prosecutors Garcetti had.

You make it sound like he sent in a couple of first year prosecutors and some interns.

But I believe that the prosecutor's office seriously overestimated the strength of their case and that it was overconfidence that led to the fundamental errors made during the trial.

But give them credit where credit is due- they convinced the great majority of Americans of Simpson's guilt and many legal observers thought they had presented a solid case.
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@Woland: Nationwide case, national attention, worldwide attention, and you think the prosecutor wants to lose??? I don't think so, not in this world. Even given your unstated subtext, no prosecutor wants to lose a case that if won, could cement his political future, while if lost could make him a goat. He only barely won re-election after that and his career came to a dead halt in 2000. Had he won, he could have run for national or statewide office.
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They want to win. Which is why the cops are always tempted to 'gild the lily'. Often even when there is no real need to they still do it.
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Hi landmark, Based on the recent behavior of many Los Angelenos when they learned of a verdict with which they disagreed, I think that Gil Garcetti had very good reasons to hope that Simpson would be acquitted.
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Again, apart from your own speculations, would you mind citing any reputable sources that state Garcetti had hoped for a Simpson acquittal?

The fact that they elected to try the case in Los Angeles rather than Santa Monica and selected a multi-racial jury was sufficent to insure that there wouldn't be a repeat of the Rodney King riots. You seem to be confusing the State's desire to provide a fair trial with a desire to "throw" the case.
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I'm sorry, Bob, I was unaware that posting a message in this forum required more than our own thoughts and speculations. I will keep that in mind in the future.
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On 2013-05-18 12:41, Woland wrote:
I'm sorry, Bob, I was unaware that posting a message in this forum required more than our own thoughts and speculations. I will keep that in mind in the future.

C'mon Woland. I just asked if you had ANY citations to support the idea that Garcetti threw the case. You seem to have no trouble finding sources to support just about everything else you opine on.
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Hi Bob, Thank you for acknowledging that I do cite sources for my comments. I remember this discussion from back when the trial was going on. I have not researched it since then. But you have piqued my curiosity, and I will look.
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Hi landmark, Based on the recent behavior of many Los Angelenos when they learned of a verdict with which they disagreed, I think that Gil Garcetti had very good reasons to hope that Simpson would be acquitted.

Weighed against statewide or nationwide office those concerns not only vanish in the wind, they work in his favor. As a speculation, it's got no legs.
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Except for the fact that this "dream team" of experienced, capable prosecutors bungled the prosecution in several different and highly important ways. As the man said, "eppur si muove. . . ."
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Except for the fact that this "dream team" of experienced, capable prosecutors bungled the prosecution in several different and highly important ways. As the man said, "eppur si muove. . . ."


Yes, and the Yankees lost to Seattle 12 to 2 the other day. Doesn't make them incompetent.

Even the best trial attorneys (i.e. the ones that actually try cases rather than plead them all out) have blown cases at one time or another. The Simpson case was just a "perfect storm."
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It would have been interesting to be a bird on the wall during jury deliberations. This was certainly a case in which race played a part. Even with some of the lying that took place, it seemed to me that some of the evidence was undeniable. Did they HAVE to throw that out? Could they have found him guilty or with the evidence that was allowed or were they forced to find him innocent?
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When Fuhrman refuses to say that he's never planted false evidence before, it's all over in my opinion. How can any juror not find reasonable doubt after that? ( I think OJ was guilty BTW--but were I on that jury, I would have had to declare reasonable doubt. That's the price the LAPD has to pay for keeping guys like Fuhrman on.)
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The new mayor of Los Angeles, Eric Garcetti, is Gil Garcetti's son.
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