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lane99 Elite user 421 Posts |
Anyone familiar with "Bob's Your Uncle" by Doug Dyment? In it, the magician prepares for the reveal by laying down five pairs of cards by dealing them, one at a time, from the *bottom* of a packet of ten cards.
I haven't performed this trick so I'm not familiar with how audiences may react. But I'm wondering if dealing from the bottom is not something audiences would tend to find unnatural and inherently suspicious? It seems to me they would do. |
Athelus New user Aberdeen, Scotland 59 Posts |
I don't know the effect personally but if you feel it's unnatural good chance the audience will also feel there's something not quite right. Perhaps you could just before the end do an overhand shuffle and just run off last 10 (roughly) so the order is reversed but on top of the deck now.
As I say I don't know the effect so that may not be a viable option. ~Stewart
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MuscleMagic Special user 794 Posts |
Tried to find a video of what you mentioned but couldn't, my reply might not be relevant but Ricky Jay did a segment on bottom dealing that people really found fascinating
starts at 7:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMp0uXaag04 |
Athelus New user Aberdeen, Scotland 59 Posts |
Just realized I misread your post and see it's from a packet so forget what I said.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I've done this for friends to good effect, and the dealing was not a problem. If you want though, if you're good at dealing seconds, you can adjust the trick to work out that way. If I recall correctly Doug makes that suggestion in the notes. Also, assuming you have Doug's notes, make sure you read the addendum on his website that really streamlines the whole setting up process, much less mental effort.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2013-05-19 19:59, lane99 wrote: In Karl Fulves's journal Epilogue, there is a Wesley James effect titled L.S.D. Aces. In that effect you also deal bottoms from a packet. Mr. James writes that doing a bottom from a packet is much easier than a full deck. He's right! And it looks perfectly natural and not at all like a bottom deal. Remeber that you are not dealing with thickness. That said, I do like the second deal idea that was previously mentioned here in this thread. Namaste, Vlad |
ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
I strongly suggest a (re)reading of the instructions for this effect, which clearly describe (from the participant's perspective) why the cards are being dealt from the bottom. When presented properly, I have always found this to be a selling point of the presentation, not a concern.
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lane99 Elite user 421 Posts |
Athelus, Musclemagic, Vlad77: Thanks for the suggestions. Though (and I debated whether I should mention it in my OP, and now I see I should have) the move is not a "bottom deal" per se. Because you are not at all trying to *conceal* that you are dealing cards from the bottom. In fact, you WANT the participant to believe you are dealing the cards, in order, from the very bottom of the packet.
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On 2013-05-19 23:32, landmark wrote: Good to know you've not encountered skepticism, Landmark. Thanks. And thanks for directing me to the addendum. Must check it out. Quote:
On 2013-05-20 12:03, ddyment wrote: You're mistaken, there's no mention at all on this point in the instructions. Hence my OP. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Lane99, I don't have Mindsights in front of me so I don't remember exactly what it says or doesn't say, but the dealing procedure is easily justified because you're laying the cards down in the order they were initially chosen. I usually say, "first I laid a card down (bottom deal), then you laid a card down (bottom deal)", rinse and repeat.
It's easy to explain what you're doing and though I haven't done this 100+ times, in the dozen or so times I have performed it, the bottom dealing isn't even remotely suspect. It's a great way to start from the beginning and work your way through the final choices.
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
Lane99 claimed:
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You're mistaken, there's no mention at all on this point in the instructions. In the most recent (7th!) edition of the book, it's in the second paragraph on page 37. But for all printings of the book, it can be found in the supplemental section.
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lane99 Elite user 421 Posts |
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On 2013-05-20 14:32, Steven Keyl wrote: Yes, nice idea. Though in the course of misdirection, you are actually drawing attention to your hands and the card packet at the exact moment you need to furtively carry out a sleight on the packet. So I think there remains a potential rough edge there. Quote:
On 2013-05-20 14:32, Steven Keyl wrote: So far, so good. And glad to hear. ...Meanwhile, I'm wondering if you (and Landmark) generally do this trick using ESP cards, or standard playing cards? Little bit tougher to get away with using playing cards (as I will be) would be my guess. |
Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
When performing this I've only ever used ESP cards. For me the gravitas of the effect would be lessened with playing cards. There's also the issue, as you rightly point out, of a potential discrepancy with playing cards that is eliminated with the ESP cards.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I think it's probably better with ESP cards, but I do it as a standard card trick. It's a nice anytime anywhere borrowed deck routine. The ten black cards from five to nine, give yourself and the spec a mixture of suits, and there's no discrepancy problem.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Good point.
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lane99 Elite user 421 Posts |
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On 2013-05-22 00:25, Steven Keyl wrote: Definitely. Quote:
On 2013-05-22 11:20, landmark wrote: That's what drew my attention to it. Best of all possible worlds? Consort with people who have ESP decks laying around their house. (As for using playing cards, thanks for the good idea about which cards to use to avoid potential tells). |
Nikodemus Inner circle 1140 Posts |
I think openly dealing the cards from the bottom is ok.
If you are uncomfortable with that, you can use exactly the same technique looking at the faces of the cards. |
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