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stilson New user 78 Posts |
Hi- I'm doing chink a chink and was wondering where to find a description of the move where you turn your hand over to show nothing is underneath. Any guidance would be GREATLY appreciated.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Welcome to the Café.
Reach out to Tim Feher here via PM, no one does that move any better than him here or anywhere. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbGRtajho0 It's not difficult, but though a small thing it's a very convincing part of the routine if you use it. It just deserves practice to get it down smooth. Good luck, Chink a Chink is great classic routine to work on. Again, welcome. -Mb
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Where was that strategy first published?
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I'm not exactly sure JT, but Tim was the first one that I ever saw to do it just that way. In Roth's teaching of the effect (in his download of it), I don't remember him using it but perhaps he did? I know I don't remember seeing it done that way, at least in any other literature I've read through and or seen as to the effect. I know that Tim is a great admirer of Roth and has remained deeply within the more classic routines. He adapted his own flair to them to more refreshingly execute the way that he does, which I believe to be as well done as anything out there. So again, I could be wrong but this little part of it all is something I first saw (and admired) with Tim.
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BenSalinas Special user Coinoscenti 746 Posts |
Could this have been adapted from the shell game move? That is the first place I saw it used.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Where is it published in context of hiding the pea?
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vampiro Loyal user Atlanta 240 Posts |
Check this out. while not the chink a chink, it is undoubtedly the move you are looking for.
You will have to figure it out, but it basically involves turning over the hand and hiding a ..... under it while showing it empty here-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3yDX_Lwmo My take on the classic TRANSLOCATOR |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
The two Sleights PCpick and PClay allow the hand to be turned over for an empty display -- in fact can be lifted from the table. These are part of the PalmerClip Series that allows for a variation of the traditional routine in having different endings/pattern of moves for any repeat performance. They are also described in T.U.C. Appreciation. This is easy to do with Quarter size coins -- hand size being a factor with larger coins. However, the flow of the routines and focus on the gathering coins allows for a casual showing of the empty hand.
In all such moves (that I have done for 40 years or so with various objects is NEVER an effort to show the hand to be empty. Rather, your natural movements that happen to show the empty palm are just part of the routine flow or gestures. If the hand is turned palm-up at other times in the routine when no coin I hidden -- perhaps to gesture at a visible coin, then the concealing of the coin with a later turn-over attracts no attention. The principle of "Preemptive Doubt" also works, i.e. to display the palm empty before the vanish or accumulation is revealed The beautiful Roth approach is usually performed fairly quickly that does not allow for much additional "showing" (not require it). In other Effects it may be desirable to mask the existence of something for a while, or even secretly pick up a coin from a flat table which is what I developed these Sleights for.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Thanks funsway... JT, you good now?
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
I'm with Ben, I believe I first saw this within the Three Shells and Pea routine. Maybe Frank Garica ? But, I'm thinking it's probably even older than that. With coins, I would think maybe Ross Bertram or around that time.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
As a side note -- "showing nothing there" is different from "showing empty" -- the latter implying that something was there before and is gone, or that somethings soon will be there. I learned the hard way to avoid the word "empty" unless you are deliberately establishing anticipation or intent. "Directed Attention" relies on such subtleties. Guess I was fortunate back in the 50-60's to have mentors that discussed such thing at magic clubs.
The "quality of empty" is probably worthy of a book, but who would buy it?
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
It's called Chanin's Favorite Master Move. It's on p. 64 of "Hello Sucker! Encyclopedia of the 3 Shell Game," by Chanin. My copy has a copyright of 1948. The author states, "The one [move] I am about to give you now, I really hate to part with as it has been my favorite move with the shells for a long time. I feel that regardless of the time spent on it, you will never regret it."
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vampiro Loyal user Atlanta 240 Posts |
There has been a lot of doublespeak and technical jargon here.
If you want to show your hand empty, by turning it over, and want to know what this means, look at the video I recommended above. This is not mine, but is a post by Rannie. It's not that you are calling attention to it being empty, it is just a matter of fact move. Personally, I think clipping a coin to lift your hand off to show it "questionably empty" is not a smart move. People don't think there is something under your hand in chink a chink if you make your hands seem to be a little off where you are doing the trick (as in Ammar's version). Has anyone found a clip to lift your hand off (without showing it empty) effective? It seems to me that clipping it and lifting it off are more likely to raise a question mark with the spectator. What has been your experience? I have never had anyone suspect there is something under a hand, so casually turning it over and back (as in the video I recommended above) is what I would do. Please let me know if I am wrong, or am missing something. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
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On 2013-05-22 02:38, vampiro wrote: Yes -- I think you are missing something. The key is lift in the hand from the table and turning it over naturally as in a gesture to show that it hold nothing -- and displaying the table underneath to be clean. Either just turning the hand over or "clip and raise" is incomplete from what can be accomplished. The ideal moves are showing four coins only with hands raised and holding nothing. Then some of the Transportation moves followed by again raising the hands from the table to show only flour coins and the hands holding nothing -- then continue to the final. There is nothing wrong with the "recommended above," but you can do more. In T.U.C. Appreciation the objective is to introduce the TUC into a set of examined/borrowed coins without suspicion with the added benefit of having alternative sequences. If you are performing the Roth Routine as a quick display there is no need for any other moves as there should be no suspicion. But, if you are combining this Routine with other effects the you should wish to establish "Patterns of Performance" that will be consistent for all of the Effects. Since other Effects often have a "turned hand" display as either "empty" or "nothing there" the fact that the hands are never turned during the Roth Routine would seem strange and cause suspicion. It is like using a wand in only one Effect and not others. The more that you can casually display your hands to "hold nothing" the better. The selection of secret Sleights performed during that process is secondary. First comes the natural patterns -- then the secret moves. The Sleight should never drive the Effect, and unnatural actions just to mask the Sleight a bit silly. Or so it seems on a Wednesday morning.
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Chanin also states: "Do not overdo this move. You must save it for when you are in a tough spot. ... After exposing this move to experts, at their request, I have been told that this is the finest contribution to the art of the SHELL GAME."
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vampiro Loyal user Atlanta 240 Posts |
Hi funsway,
thanks for your excellent advice. YOu know what? You need to do a book on coins. You have already contributed to the TuC and who knows what else. Your thinking is very clear, and your expertise is, well, fabulous. So please, please, write a book on your best coin effects. just a thought, thankfully, scott |
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
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On 2013-05-22 01:50, Ray Haining wrote: Thanks Ray for clearing up the credit on this. I thought I had seen this connected to the shell game, but wasn't sure. Thanks! Joe
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Chop, chop, chop! Good job guys.
Every chop of the ax is important, from the first one to the last one that finally fells the tree. And for what it's worth, I still say Tim does the move as well as anybody, as to coins that is.
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
Stilson, Ray and anyone interested it seems this was originally published in 1934 http://magicref.tripod.com/books/chaninj......edia.htm
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
In the upper left-hand corner, you will see "copyright 1948." The 1934 version was the original 6-page edition. The copy shown is the same edition I have. The move appears on p. 64 and was no doubt not in the original.
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