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On 2013-05-20 14:13, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Sometimes I feel the "mitigating circumstances" defense has been squeezed of all its juice. When people who can afford 6+ years of college, during which they are schooled on how to pick the most logical argument apart, oppose criminal behavior, we are fast approaching a time when everyone goes free.

Would it not be better to just go on the bald facts?

1. What is the law?

2. Was it violated?

3. What is the penalty according to law?

4. Pay for the dance.

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twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools"...

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The penalty, according to the law, is subject to the discretion of the judge, which discretion includes consideration of mitigating factors.
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On 2013-05-20 10:22, Dougini wrote:

The problem here, is, an 18 year old and a 15 year old. If this was hetero, the same rule would apply. An adult, vs. a minor.



This.

But I think the age 18, i.e. being an adult bit, is really irrelevant in this case.

If I am not mistaken (a lawyer can answer), it is actually (sometimes) legal in Florida for an adult (under a certain age, but over 18) to have a sexual relationship with a 'minor'. I think it is the age 15 of the other girl that is the problem. Had she been 16, it would have been fine.

"Florida - The age of consent in Florida is 18, but close in age exemptions exist. By law, the exception permits a person 23 years of age or younger to engage in legal sexual activity with a minor aged 16 or 17."

"794.05 Unlawful sexual activity with certain minors.-- (1) A person 24 years of age or older who engages in sexual activity with a person 16 or 17 years of age commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, "sexual activity" means oral, anal, or !@#$%^l penetration by, or union with, the sexual organ of another; however, sexual activity does not include an act done for a bona fide medical purpose Florida code, Title XLVI, Chapter 794."
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On 2013-05-20 14:13, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Sometimes I feel the "mitigating circumstances" defense has been squeezed of all its juice. When people who can afford 6+ years of college, during which they are schooled on how to pick the most logical argument apart, oppose criminal behavior, we are fast approaching a time when everyone goes free.




If that's what you got from my post, I don't know what to say. "Mitigating circumstances" is NOT, despite what you wrote, a defense. (So it never had any "juice" to squeeze out of it in the first place.) It is something that is considered AFTER a defendant has been convicted and prior to sentencing. As Lobo accurately pointed, the consideration of mitigating factors is part of a judge's job.

Are you seriously suggesting that the defendant in this case should be given the same sentence as a forty-year-old statutory rapist? Do the unique circumstances of this case make no difference at all when it comes to punishment?
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On 2013-05-20 12:07, rockwall wrote:
If I found out an 18 year old guy was having sex with my 15 year old daughter, I suspect I'd want to press charges too, even if it was consensual.


I'd do a hell of a lot more than press charges! However, I guarantee if it was an 18 year old guy instead of a girl there would not be this outcropping of support from the community calling for his innocence.
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Poor girl. Sometimes the law is an ass. This is one of those times.
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Maybe the poor girl is not Lesbian or poor but just a common-a-garden rich Paedophile.
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On 2013-05-21 07:19, tommy wrote:
Maybe the poor girl is not Lesbian or poor but just a common-a-garden rich Paedophile.


I don't think you can attach that label to her. 18 & 15 for me does not equal being a paedophile.
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Apparently, two separate judges here in Indian River County ordered that the girl could finish out the school year and graduate with her peers as long as no more contact was made with the younger girl. However, the parents of the younger girl appealed to the school board and the school board expelled her and sent her to an alternative school.... Is that even legal??? After two separate judges ordered otherwise?

I really feel this girl did nothing wrong. She is a model student and had big plans for college after graduation. She and another girl had feelings for one another they explored their sexuality one time and she's labeled the same as lets say a man in his mid 40's with greasy hair stalking and sexually seducing 12 to 14 year olds? ?? I don't think so... Cut me some slack I mean We all do dumb stuff and have in our lifetimes but I don't see this young women as a sexual predator with weird perversions..

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If you were 18 and your girlfriend/boyfriend was 15 and you knew their parents didn't approve/like you; would you have put yourself in this situation?
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Atouchofmagic1,

I don't see her as a sexual predator either and wouldn't like to see her treated as a rapist, but you've used a very poor point to argue for her innocence. The appearance of the adult has nothing at all to do with the crime. Socially we may find a guy in his mid 40's with greasy hair less acceptable but so far as the law is concerned he should be treated the same as a hot sexy 18 year old girl if he commits the same crime, though when time comes for sentencing, as has been pointed out, the fact they had a pre-existing relationship which had been legal, should be considered.
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On 2013-05-21 09:07, Salguod Nairb wrote:
If you were 18 and your girlfriend/boyfriend was 15 and you knew their parents didn't approve/like you; would you have put yourself in this situation?


Happens every day. Parents disapprove of a partner (regardless of age) & said couple sneak around seeing each other anyway.

Touch of magic has it spot on. You can't compare this girl to a padeophile. My money is on the parents not approving of a gay relationship & nothing to do with age at all.
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... and she should be held accountable. The bottom line is that there was a minor involved regardless of what the parent’s incentives are. I'm not saying that she should be burned at the stake, but rather that she should be held accountable for her actions. Equality swings both ways.
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On 2013-05-21 09:42, Salguod Nairb wrote:
... and she should be held accountable. The bottom line is that there was a minor involved regardless of what the parent’s incentives are. I'm not saying that she should be burned at the stake, but rather that she should be held accountable for her actions. Equality swings both ways.


Accountable for what? She's done nothing wrong & labelling a consenting 15 year old a minor might fit the legal description but that doesn't make it right unless you blindly follow the law regardless.

Of course, the rift this may create between parent & daughter is another thing to consider. Wouldn't be suprised if she never gave them the time of day again after this.
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So I guess in your State 15 year olds can consent.
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but that doesn't make it right unless you blindly follow the law regardless.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Justice


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Lady Justice has often been depicted wearing a blindfold. The blindfold represents objectivity, in that justice is or should be meted out objectively, without fear or favour, regardless of identity, money, power, or weakness; blind justice and impartiality.
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Apparently the younger girls parents had notified police and the police tapped the girls phone and they made the younger girl call the older girl to talk about the sexual relationship over the phone. That apparently is where the evidence came from in this case.

Smells a bit like entrapment. Both parents of both parties could have discussed the matter prior to the girl reaching adulthood. But instead wait and entrap her .... Hmmmmmm


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Some Paedophiles are better than others. Or anther way to say it is that some are not as bad as others. As Paedophiles go, it seems to me, the Lesbian Paedophile in the case at hand is better than some other Lesbian Paedophiles we could mention. For instance:

A 26-year-old lesbian paedophile sexually abused three teenage girls after pretending she was 15, a court has heard. Kelly Bavister-Gandy bought the three alcohol and lured them into sexual relationships in the space of just eight weeks, jurors were told.
When she ended the relationships, the girls were left ‘extremely upset’, with one going on to self-harm, said prosecutor Paul Dugdale.
‘One of the girls thought they would be spending the rest of their lives together, getting married and going away together when she was 16,’ he told Portsmouth Crown Court.
Unemployed Bavister-Gandy allegedly befriended a group of 13 and 14-year-olds at the start of last year.
‘She got very close to them emot­ionally and physically. Certainly, last February, she did not look like a 26-year-old,’ said Mr Dugdale.
Bavister-Gandy went out with one girl for three weeks, another for a week and the third was a one-night stand, the court was told.
She shared a bed with them and even touched them sexually in front of their friends, jurors heard.
The parents of one alleged victim later contacted police and she was arr­ested.
‘All three girls consented to what was happening. They were ext­remely upset when the relationship came to an end,’ said Mr Dugdale.
‘They may have consented but it’s utterly wrong for someone aged 26 to be having sexual relationships with someone of 13.’

http://metro.co.uk/2010/04/07/lesbian-pa......-226228/

Lesbian paedophile jailed for grooming teen girls for online sex

A lesbian paedophile has been jailed for 18 months after she allegedly posed as a teenage boy to groom two underage girls for sex over the Internet
Natalie Reed, 30, targeted the schoolgirls aged 12 and 14 after an introduction through a mutual friend.
Crop-haired and tattooed Reed pretended to be 17-year-old William Hymes in a bid to seduce the victims over two years.
She tried to persuade the first victim to have sex during several meetings including in Bermondsey, south-east London.
The second girl agreed to meet up but backed out at the last minute and Reed, who has a Made in England tattoo on her neck, was traced from mobile phone records and arrested.
"It's plain that both of them have been severely traumatised by what happened and that they will take a long time to recover if they ever will at all," the Daily Mail quoted Judge Usha Karu as saying about the impact the whole incident has had on the victims.
"You manipulated them, eventually taking advantage of their very young age and vulnerability.
"You attempted to have full sexual relations with them, thankfully nothing sexual did happen, but that was not for want of trying by you," she stated.
The judge imposed an indefinite Sexual Offences Prevention Order banning Reed from contacting children unless they are members of her own family, and she will also have to sign as a sex offender for ten years.
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jun/150......-sex.htm

Lesbian Paedophile Posed As A Boy

A lesbian paedophile who posed as a teenage boy to begin a relationship with a 12-year-old girl has been convicted of indecently assaulting the child. Kelly Trueman, 23, reinvented herself as 16-year-old Jake and concocted a string of lies to befriend a group of youngsters in Ripley, Derbyshire.
Derby Crown Court heard the young victim believed she had embarked on her first relationship when she met the supposed teenage boy last summer.
Jurors were told the pair regularly kissed and that Trueman later touched the girl's breasts and put her hands down her trousers.
The prosecution said Trueman, posing as Jake, even persuaded the victim's parents to let her sleep at their house.
They took pity on her after she told them her mother was dead and she had been made homeless by her father.
The court heard that the girl suffered a further assault in her family home when Trueman pulled down her trousers to engage in a sex act.
Mr Hurd said that the victim had been happy to kiss her "boyfriend" but did not want to go any further.
Trueman, who was convicted of eight counts of indecent assault, will be sentenced next month.
She was granted bail in the meantime.
http://news.sky.com/story/243580/lesbian......as-a-boy

And so on

By the way some of these Lesbian Pervert Paedophiles are demanding rights, like gay rights. Sad? Disgusting? Or What?
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Strange Tommy, that in the lengthy articles you've provided on each, there's no mention of them "demanding rights, like gay rights".

If you're planning to use these 3 cases and the one under discussion to bash gays, there won't be much joy in it for you.

Every single bit of research available will show there was far more heterosexual molestation in the same time frame - not that I take any joy from that - kids have got enough to worry about in this world without adults doing this to them.
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The only thing strange about it is these Lesbian Pervert Paedophiles.

Age of consent reform refers to efforts to change age of consent laws, whether to raise or lower or abolish the age of consent, or to change the ways in which the laws are applied. Another issue has been homosexual vs. heterosexual relationships; regarding equal ages of consent. These efforts vary greatly in intensity and popularity, and have manifested in a variety of forms, such as legislation for close-in-age exemptions to age of consent laws, advocacy to change the way age of consent laws are examined in court, to lower or increase the age limits, and increase or reduce related penalties. Some organized efforts have occurred ranging from academic discussions to political petitions and pedophile advocacy groups.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform

To start with.
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