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NateReeves
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Hey guys,

I was wondering how hard it would be to create a stacked deck. Are there any mathematical equations that go into it or is it more like a puzzle where you try to fit in whatever you want? Does anyone who has created one before have any tips?

Thanks,

Nate
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I've published several well-reviewed partial- and full-deck stacks. How you create them is a function of the purpose(s) for which they are intended to be used. Sometimes there is math involved, but more frequently not.

Whether or not you use math in the creative process, it is often a good idea to build a model of the stack in a spreadsheet program, as it allows you to automatically check for all the attributes you are trying to create as you work on the development. This cuts down significantly on the labour involved, and makes the introduction of an error less likely.
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Have you already spent time working with a memorized stack? If not, take at least a year (or two) with a known memdeck. You'll have a much better idea of which properties work best for you.
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Thanks for the help, guys. I'll learn a stacked deck to kind of get a feel for how they are put together and also to try to get into the mind of the creator.
When I finally do start to create one, I will definitely use the spreadsheet idea. Thanks again
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Nate, One word: Mnemonica.

Get the book. Study the book (and the genius behind it). Learn the stack. Learn the tricks. You will discover how stacks work and many possibilities. It may be a few YEARS before you attempt creating your own stack.

THEN study Aronson's material for a few more YEARS.

THEN you may want to create your OWN stack.

But, frankly, if you're like me, you'll find you won't need to. And most likely will already be satisfied with what Tamariz and Aronson have wrought.
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The Tamariz and Aronson stacks are excellent for what they are, and if what they offer is what you're looking for, then your problems are solved. But many top-flight professionals do not use them, because they don't particularly want to do those effects (one reason: too many others are doing them).

There is much more to full-deck stacks than adherence to some particular approach: there are many good solutions that take different paths.
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Dd, Good point. In fact, I use other stacks for other effects. My point was TC will gain a lot of knowledge and experience to help him determine if he still wants to create his own stack or just continue to use what others have come up with.
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Have a read of this thread:-

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=205

It was a good though short thread, but the person who created the topic had a very specific set of criteria to create his own stack and I think that should be your starting point. What do you want out of this deck??

But identify what features you want out of your stack and more importantly question yourself why those that are already existing in print do not fit your current needs. Also have a think about not just 1 -52 order, but what could potentially be the order if you did a faro shuffle ( 1 to 8 times) and determine if there are any patterns you go use as that could open up a whole new bunch of possibilities for you
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I created my own stack using a spreadsheet. All the cards are in one column. The neighbouring columns have explanations and colour coding explaining each built-in trick and effect. I continually build on it as I come up with new effects with it. The card order was developed over a few weeks of building in different effects, and continually modifying until I felt I had enough built-in effects. I update by colourizing neighbouring columns with explanations of tricks and effects I discover with the stack over time. Using that process, I have quite a few things I can do with it nowadays. It sounds a bit silly, but it helps you quickly remember things you've come up with.
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I use Mnemonica, but Ive been messing around with creating a stack that could easily faro into color effects like OOTW. If you start in NDO and faro 5 times you have a spread that looks relatively shuffled and has the ability to faro a few more times into half red, half black, or into alternating every other color, both of which are very useful. I’m just not sure that I want to do the work of memorizing a whole other stack haha.
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