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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Just stumbled across No Vacation Nation
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The United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation. European countries establish legal rights to at least 20 days of paid vacation per year, with legal requirements of 25 and even 30 or more days in some countries. Australia and New Zealand both require employers to grant at least 20 vacation days per year; Canada and Japan mandate at least 10 paid days off. The gap between paid time off in the United States and the rest of the world is even larger if we include legally mandated paid holidays, where the United States offers none, but most of the rest of the world's rich countries offer at least six paid holidays per year. It looks like I live in the third stingiest (wealthy) nation in terms of mandated holidays and vacation. It is only small comfort to compare our situation with the USA which has zero mandated holidays and no legally mandated vacation time.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Perhaps we have enough mandated stuff. Perhaps the market helps determine the benefits, and not big brother. Perhaps we realize lots of benefits has to be paid for somehow or else our nation is in trouble. Interesting Greece is right up there with mandated freebies...
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I have a hard time believing that 23% get no paid holidays or vacations.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-05-24 16:25, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote: That's right, nothing in this world is free.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
A lot of those places are in the EU and they are governed and told what to do by the EU big brother and probably told a minimum that they must give. Which looks like 20 to me. I guess.
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts |
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On 2013-05-24 16:52, LobowolfXXX wrote: Could be the employment arrangement. I'm a contractor, and so are a lot of the IT personnel in my Company. My agency does offer some paid Holidays, but I don't get vacation. From what I've heard from other contractors, it's more-or-less the same. What percentage of workers are contractors? |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Not sure how it works but if part time workers are included in this it is only going to get worse. With all that an employer is required to pay out in benefits especially if a union shop is involved to its full time employees, full time positions are becoming more and more scarce. Many people work part time and do not qualify for a vacation. Also many here in the U.S. work seasonal jobs and collect Unemployment and do not work long enough to acquire vacation time. These people work maybe 8 or 9 months a year so I don't think they should be able to go back to work and have 3 or 4 weeks vacation time coming. I am sure your figures includes these people.
I would just like to ask. Why should the government tell the employer how much vacation time to give their employees? Should they also tell them how much to pay them (I understand min. wage)? They are forcing a health care bill on them now. Seems like we won't need managers or bosses in companies any more because the government will tell the employer how to run their business. Yea they are doing a great job in running the government.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Good questions, aces. What are the reasonable regulations on the way corporations treat their employees? You imply that you're ok with minimum wage. Anything else?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-05-24 22:21, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I implied nothing. You surmised. Minimum wage is just that, minimum wage. A starting point. It is not a wage where a single wage earner can raise a family, those days are just about gone. In fact today it is difficult for most to raise a family unless both parents work. I don't exactly understand your question. However I believe that employees owe their employers a fair days work. Just as the employer owes the employee a fair salary for that work. If one or the other is not satisfied there are options. The employee can discuss the situation with the employer. The employer can talk it over with the employee and if no common ground can be reached it moves on to the next level. That being the employee leaves, or the employer dismisses the employee. If dismissal is deemed unfair the employee has options.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
I guess I'm one of the few lucky ones out there. I get three and a half weeks of paid vacation, all of the federal holidays and four personal days off a year. Plus the majority of my health care is provided by my employer and I have a pension plan. But then, I'm a represented employee. So I have the bargaining power of my Union behind me to make sure that my employer cannot take unfair advantage of me and my co-workers.
When I first started working this job seventeen years ago I made far less than my counterpart in the non represented world. Now I make about twice as much. Oddly, my salary and benefits haven't gone up. Which means that the average wage for non-union workers has gone down. Eventually the workers will wise up to this and become represented workers and get back many of the benefits their union forbearer's fought for years ago.
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
The unions of Detroit opened the door to Japanese auto makers in the US in the 1980s. Wasn't that special for American auto makers? Yikes, our answer to the Japanese then was the late and not so great K-car. A great tribute to the unions of Detroit. Unions are done in the US my friend. You should move to socialist Europe for those kind of benefits you seek.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
In my state, their are no unions. As a worker, you are treated as an expendable number and the office politics is terrible (been there done that). Eventually, you get fed up with it and because I am in a state that does not have unions (a right to work state) you can get ahead much better by simply becoming self employed(provided you make wise financial decisions too). I have never been afraid of hard work and you feel good about yourself when you work hard and earn your keep, but I also want to get ahead and be treated like a human being rather than some kind of expendable number.
In my experience when it comes to working for an employer, the people who really work hard and contribute to the company go unrecognized (and in many cases end up with MORE work BUT never getting promoted while those who butt kiss but don't contribute as much to the company or work as hard as others get promoted) and at times even fired when they complain about it. It seems that the only way to get ahead these days and being treated well while doing it without selling your soul is to become self employed and go into business yourself rather than work for somebody else (at least this is my observation after gaining experience working for an employer for a number of years). Sure you will work harder, but again, like I said, I have never been afraid of hard work. But I do have a problem with being treated like an expendable number or dealing with a boss who could potentially be a bully or mistreat his employees (and employers do this not because they have a good reason to do it, but ONLY because they can, they do it JUST because they can) and then you throw in the terrible office politics that goes with a job. Just doesn't seem worth it to work for somebody else when you can go into business for yourself, get ahead, be your own boss, be independent and not have to put up with all the un-necessary BS that goes with working for somebody else. Going into business for yourself, expect to work harder than you did when you worked for an employer (but at least you will be your own boss and will be independent, at least, I feel more independent working for myself than I ever did working for somebody else).
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-25 01:13, Bob1Dog wrote: And of course poor management had nothing to do with the decline of the American auto industry. "Poor management The Big Three automakers had developed their dominant position in the U.S. car market in the absence of any serious overseas competition. As a result, the management of the Big Three became complacent. They only took action when profits started falling, and even then, management tended to cut costs rather than improve the product." http://www.helium.com/items/2395220-reas......industry "Many in the media have accepted the notion put forward by conservatives and business associations that unions make businesses uncompetitive by raising wages and benefits irresponsibly. The poster child for this view of the world is the auto industry, where the United Auto Workers supposedly drove the “Big Three” (Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors) into the ground while foreign competitors ate their lunch. This is false history. As Case Western Reserve University manufacturing scholar Sue Helper has helped me understand, the auto industry’s problem stemmed from decades of mismanagement, and regardless of the UAW contracts, the Big Three made choices that doomed them to lose market share and the ability to compete." "In 2008, according to Edmunds, GM sold its average large car for $21,518. Assuming GM sold its cars at cost, the UAW premium would have been only $645 (3 percent of $21,518). Did the UAW premium raise the selling price so high as to make GM cars uncompetitive with Toyotas? Not exactly. Toyota sold its comparably equipped average large car for $31,753—$10,000 more than GM.4 It wasn’t price that made GM cars uncompetitive, it was the quality of the product and the customers’ perception of quality." "The companies failed to fund retiree pension and health benefits on an accrual basis and loaded those costs onto current employee contracts. Workers should not be blamed for the failures of GM’s financial management and accounting systems." http://www.epi.org/blog/bad-management-c......g-three/ But keep drinking that Corporate Koolaid and blame the workers for the failings, shortsightedness and greed of management.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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shortsightedness and greed of management. I agree Payne, I have seen some shortsigtedness and a lot of incompetence with management in my time working for an employer, it's part of what drove me to become self employed. Not only that, but I also wanted to pursue what I love to do and get the most out of life while making money and contributing to society in the process. Funny you should mention foreign cars, my wife and I are looking at buying a good used Nissan Altima. I do like Chevy's but it seems these particular cars might have even Chevy beat in quality in some respects. My main worry is the cost of part if the Nissan were to ever need repairs. But I hear a lot of good stories from other folks about the Nissan Altimas.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-05-25 00:56, Payne wrote: Your wages haven't gone up in 17 years?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-05-25 01:29, General_Magician wrote: Right-to-work states have unions.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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Right-to-work states have unions. The only union I have seen in my state is the union on Federal installations and those unions exist only because it's a Federal installation governed by Federal rather than state law. I have never worked for an employer that had a union in the state that I currently reside in (Georgia). From what I have seen, unions are not very strong here in this state and you are very unlikely to have any success in organizing a union down here. Might as well just go into business for yourself. I don't know, I like being self employed even though you have to work harder and have more responsibility. There is a lot of rewards that come with being self employed that you don't get working for an employer. My sense of self worth is much stronger now working for myself than it ever was working for an employer.
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
As a professional middle management retiree, having worked for a well respected American corporation for thirty years I'm simply sick and tired of those of y'alls who want things handed to you on platters because you think you deserve them; whining about the low wages, mistreatement and lack of benefits and other social expectations some of you who don't know the meaning of work and loyalty to your employer, expect. Get a life people. Give an honest days work to your employer and you'll get it back in spades. You just don't get it. The cream rises to the top in all levels of work, and from what I can see, most of y'alls complaining are just sour milk, not being able to rise to the top. Blame yourselves, and no one else.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-05-25 01:57, Bob1Dog wrote: I never expected anything handed down to me, I just wanted to be able to wake up in the morning and look forward to going to work and contribute to a company that I knew actually gave a *** about the people they did business with and their employees and who promoted people in the company who legitimately EARNED the promotion, instead of the ass kissers. In my experience, I have seen a lot of great workers never promoted and get more worked piled on them BECAUSE they were such great worker while those who contributed less to the company were promoted because they knew how to kiss ass. So, my solution was to go to work for myself. That way, my promotion (making more money) was legitimately earned and am certainly going to treat myself well whereas a boss is not going to treat you well (your just a number to him). You're better off in this day and age going into business for yourself rather than having to deal with the mistreatment and cronyism and sometimes terrible office politics in the workplace today. I just prefer to cut that crap out and work hard, make money, feel good about what I do and contribute to society. Simple. And the way I found to do that is become self employed. Believe me, you will work much harder than you ever did when you were employee. So, the notion of being afraid of hard work and looking for a handout is simply false (at least in my case). In many cases when my family went to a reunion or on a vacation, I couldn't go because I had to work.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-25 01:57, Bob1Dog wrote: Thanks for proving my point
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