On 2013-05-25 02:05, General_Magician wrote:

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On 2013-05-25 01:57, Bob1Dog wrote:
As a professional middle management retiree, having worked for a well respected American corporation for thirty years I'm simply sick and tired of those of y'alls who want things handed to you on platters because you think you deserve them; whining about the low wages, mistreatement and lack of benefits and other social expectations some of you who don't know the meaning of work and loyalty to your employer, expect. Get a life people. Give an honest days work to your employer and you'll get it back in spades. You just don't get it. The cream rises to the top in all levels of work, and from what I can see, most of y'alls complaining are just sour milk, not being able to rise to the top. Blame yourselves, and no one else.

I never expected anything handed down to me, I just wanted to be able to wake up in the morning and look forward to going to work and contribute to a company that I knew actually gave a *** about the people they did business with and their employees and who promoted people in the company who legitimately EARNED the promotion, instead of the ass kissers. In my experience, I have seen a lot of great workers never promoted and get more worked piled on them BECAUSE they were such great worker while those who contributed less to the company were promoted because they knew how to kiss ass.

So, my solution was to go to work for myself. That way, my promotion (making more money) was legitimately earned and am certainly going to treat myself well whereas a boss is not going to treat you well (your just a number to him). You're better off in this day and age going into business for yourself rather than having to deal with the mistreatment and cronyism and sometimes terrible office politics in the workplace today. I just prefer to cut that crap out and work hard, make money, feel good about what I do and contribute to society. Simple. And the way I found to do that is become self employed. Believe me, you will work much harder than you ever did when you were employee. So, the notion of being afraid of hard work and looking for a handout is simply false (at least in my case). In many cases when my family went to a reunion or on a vacation, I couldn't go because I had to work.

On 2013-05-25 02:21, Payne wrote:

Thanks for proving my point

There is room for advancement in corporate ranks at all levels, except to those who wear their discontent on their arms and run to a union for relief. By the way, do you have employees? Do you provide health care and pension benefits to them? How would you feel if they wanted to organize a union in your company, and finally, how much vacation do you offer them?

On 2013-05-24 18:06, tommy wrote:
A lot of those places are in the EU and they are governed and told what to do by the EU big brother and probably told a minimum that they must give. Which looks like 20 to me. I guess.

While reading what is here it seems that the hiring process is all backwards here in the U.S. By that I mean it seems that employers should not run ads looking for people but rather the unemployed should run ads such as this.

LOOKING FOR WORK. I want a very competitive salary, I want top of the line medical coverage along with 3 weeks vacation to start. Vacation time off should increase by 1 week every 3 years until it reaches 8 weeks. Along with this I would also want a great retirement plan that I become vested in after 4 months. Salary increases every year along with all holidays off. Call me between the hours of noon (I like to sleep in) and 3 and leave your information on my new I phone voice mail. If interested I will return your call within 72 hours. I can be reached at 555-555-555 I am a hard worker with great work ethics..

On 2013-05-25 11:11, Woland wrote:
Odd that so many people around the world seem eager to move to a country whose Federal government does not mandate sufficient time off.

And of course there was an initiative in France, a couple of years ago, to mandate nap-taking at work, as a way of combatting the crisis of fatigue.

On 2013-05-25 02:42, General_Magician wrote:

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There is room for advancement in corporate ranks at all levels, except to those who wear their discontent on their arms and run to a union for relief. By the way, do you have employees? Do you provide health care and pension benefits to them? How would you feel if they wanted to organize a union in your company, and finally, how much vacation do you offer them?

I do not have employees, but I have hired help though (independent contractors, I can't afford to hire employees plus I do not see the need for W-2 employees at this point). Most of the time the help I hired was good, but you have to watch the people you hire and be sure they do a good job. I had to let go of one person I hired as an independent contractor. Your company is liable and when you hire people whether they are employees or an independent contractor, their actions that they do in your company's name could get you and your company in trouble, so you have to keep an eye on them when they perform services for your company. I do not have the overhead costs that a big corporation has (though I do have overhead costs like most businesses), so, obviously, it is fair to say, that I do not contribute jobwise as much to the economy as many of these corporate employers. But I do enjoy being self employed and I think it's very rewarding.

On 2013-05-25 11:31, Bob1Dog wrote:

OK. So, let's just assume that your business was profitable enough and growing to the point that you needed to hire four full-time people. I'll ask my same question once again. How many weeks vacation would you provide them and would you offer free pension and health coverage? And how would you react to those four insisting on being represented by a union?

OK. So, let's just assume that your business was profitable enough and growing to the point that you needed to hire four full-time people. I'll ask my same question once again. How many weeks vacation would you provide them and would you offer free pension and health coverage? And how would you react to those four insisting on being represented by a union?

On 2013-05-25 12:28, Payne wrote:

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On 2013-05-25 11:31, Bob1Dog wrote:

OK. So, let's just assume that your business was profitable enough and growing to the point that you needed to hire four full-time people. I'll ask my same question once again. How many weeks vacation would you provide them and would you offer free pension and health coverage? And how would you react to those four insisting on being represented by a union?

As an employer I would have a responsibility to my employees to either pay them enough so they can obtain their own health coverage, or include them on the companies group plan. Seeing that an rested and stress free employee is a more productive employee I would provide them with paid holidays and vacation time. I would hope that I treated them well enough that they didn't feel the need to join a union. But if they feel that they needed representation then I would let them organize.

Of course this would mean that I might not get paid 1034 times more than my employees http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/ceo-income
Or see my companies profits increase while my employees wages stagnate like other companies http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/04/rep......tagnate/
But I could sleep at night knowing that I treat my employees with respect and see them as fellow human beings rather than an easily replaced and expendable commodity that must be endured.

On 2013-05-25 12:28, Payne wrote:

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On 2013-05-25 11:31, Bob1Dog wrote:

OK. So, let's just assume that your business was profitable enough and growing to the point that you needed to hire four full-time people. I'll ask my same question once again. How many weeks vacation would you provide them and would you offer free pension and health coverage? And how would you react to those four insisting on being represented by a union?

As an employer I would have a responsibility to my employees to either pay them enough so they can obtain their own health coverage, or include them on the companies group plan. Seeing that an rested and stress free employee is a more productive employee I would provide them with paid holidays and vacation time. I would hope that I treated them well enough that they didn't feel the need to join a union. But if they feel that they needed representation then I would let them organize.

Of course this would mean that I might not get paid 1034 times more than my employees http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/ceo-income
Or see my companies profits increase while my employees wages stagnate like other companies http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/04/rep......tagnate/
But I could sleep at night knowing that I treat my employees with respect and see them as fellow human beings rather than an easily replaced and expendable commodity that must be endured.

On 2013-05-25 20:13, acesover wrote:

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On 2013-05-25 12:28, Payne wrote:

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On 2013-05-25 11:31, Bob1Dog wrote:

OK. So, let's just assume that your business was profitable enough and growing to the point that you needed to hire four full-time people. I'll ask my same question once again. How many weeks vacation would you provide them and would you offer free pension and health coverage? And how would you react to those four insisting on being represented by a union?

As an employer I would have a responsibility to my employees to either pay them enough so they can obtain their own health coverage, or include them on the companies group plan. Seeing that an rested and stress free employee is a more productive employee I would provide them with paid holidays and vacation time. I would hope that I treated them well enough that they didn't feel the need to join a union. But if they feel that they needed representation then I would let them organize.

Of course this would mean that I might not get paid 1034 times more than my employees http://www.payscale.com/data-packages/ceo-income
Or see my companies profits increase while my employees wages stagnate like other companies http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/03/04/rep......tagnate/
But I could sleep at night knowing that I treat my employees with respect and see them as fellow human beings rather than an easily replaced and expendable commodity that must be endured.

This post reminds me of a story I once heard. The soup kitchen was asking for donations and asked the man. If you had a million dollars would you give the soup kitchen $10,000? The answer was oh yes definitely. Then asking the man again if you had $500,000 would you give the soup kitchen $2,000. And again the answer was of yes I would. Then asked if your had $5,000 would you give the soup kitchen $25. The answer was...that is not fair you know I have $5,000. Just saying you guys talk a good game until you are the one paying out. This expression is very true, "Talk is Cheap".

And to add. Your first responsibility as an employer is to make money. Remember that is why you went into business in the first place. So again your first responsibility is to your family. You guys make me laugh with your altruistic notions which may sound very noble and good but when faced with reality are cast aside rather quickly. That is not to say you shouldn't treat your employees well. You give them what they are worth. I have a "jack of all trades guy" working for me. No education whatsoever. He is the highest paid employee I have. He makes over $70,000 a year and I pay for his medical coverage to the tune of an additional $400/month disguised as a bonus twice a year. He picks his own coverage and while I give him less than $5,000 bonus it is understood that this is for medical coverage. He is very happy with this arrangement and he more than likely adds to it as he has a family of 2 kids. Also gets a Christmas bonus, however much less than $5,000.