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gadir New user Reseda, California 60 Posts |
Hi Guys and gals,
What are the differences between the IBM and SAM? I did notice that applying for membership in the IBM you needed two members sponsorship. Which one would be better suited to a beginner. Thanks Gadi |
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Hi Gadi, Welcome to the Magic Café!! Hope you find a lot of good info here to help you grow.
I'm a member of both the IBM and SAM. I've been a member of the IBM much longer. They're both equally good. One is geared to members worldwide and the other more to the USA. I'm more partial to the IBM. No real reason for me. Join either one, you'll enjoy it. If you want to join the IBM, I'll be glad to sponsor you and can get a friend of mine to be your second. Good luck. Mark. |
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CardStudent New user Greer, SC 57 Posts |
I am no longer a member of SAM, but I have been in the past. I am currently a member of the IBM. They are very similar. However, I prefer the Linking Ring (the IBM's magazine) over MUM (that of the SAM).
"Cards are the poetry of magic." J.N. Hofzinser
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Julie Inner circle 3936 Posts |
Hello Gadi
BOTH organizations are great! If you're fortunate to have a Ring (I.B.M.) and an Assembly (S.A.M.) club in your area, I would suggest joining each one (if you can afford it). Just think, TWO club meetings to take part in each month! You'll learn soooo much and have a lot of FUN in the process. The interaction between magicians, in person as opposed to the electronic media, just can't be beaten. All the best Julie |
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GreenEggs New user Why have I got 65 Posts |
The answer is.... It depends on where you live... Both organization have opportunities for beginners. I'd reccommend checking out the maps for each organization to see which is closest to you geographically.
IBM: http://www.magician.org/portal/en/ibm_localrings SAM: http://magicsam.com/ (Find a Local Assembly) |
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6127 Posts |
You may want to make your decision based whether one or the other has an assembly in your area.
"If you ever write anything about me after I'm gone, I will come back and haunt you."
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gadir New user Reseda, California 60 Posts |
Thanks everyone for the information... I should make a decision in the summer. Mark, if I go with IBM I will take you up on your offer of helping me with the sponsorships
Thanks Gadi PS Practicing the riffle shuffle in the air, although once in a while the cards end up all over the place |
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Sounds good. Just let me know.
Mark. |
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Cyberqat Inner circle You can tell I work on the net from my 2209 Posts |
In my experience....
Both are welcoming, but IBM is a bit more serious in that to be a full member you have to do an audition. SAM basically takes as a full member anyone with a serious interest in the art. If you want to be even a regularly performing amateur then IBM is probably the better choice. If it just a hobby for your own amusement and an occasional charity or family performance, then SAM has lower time overhead. Again that's *my* experience, your milage may vary.
It is always darkest just before you are eaten by a grue.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
Don't let the idea of having to "audition" keep you from joining a club. My experience is that not all clubs do that. IF they do, it's more of a way for them to see some magic from someone else, and to see just how interested that person is in magic. Are they actually into it or are they just wanting to get a look behind the curtain as to how things are done? Besides, if you're going to join a club, you're going to be doing some magic anyway, so have fun with it!!
Mark. |
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Cyberqat Inner circle You can tell I work on the net from my 2209 Posts |
Good point. Yes, most IBMers are very nice and they don't expect you to be competition level or even pro party level.
What they will be looking for is that you put some time and effort into it. Some creativity in presentation will also go a long way. They *want* beginners, but they want you to be serious about beginning.
It is always darkest just before you are eaten by a grue.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-29 08:18, Cyberqat wrote: In my experience this isn't the case. My club, which is loosly affiliated with the IBM, doesn't have an audition requirement. Nor, as far as I know, does our local SAM affiliate. But then since their membership standards require one to be a member of SAM (which I'm not) to join. I've never been to one of their meetings. So don't let the potential of their being an audition to join scare you off as not every club has such a policy. I don't belong to either the SAM nor the IBM. But I'm an active particiopant in our local club\ring and enjoy going to the meetings and various club functions.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
Well, I joined SAM a few years back, and except for a "form" certificate got nothing from it. To me, it was a total waste of time and money. Heard nothing from the local. About as welcoming as a cold, clammy jail cell...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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gomerel Elite user 458 Posts |
So, it depends on where you are and what the local groups are like. In Sacramento, many people belong to both groups. Both are very welcoming. Not much difference between them. I belong to both.
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gadir New user Reseda, California 60 Posts |
Years ago, I actually auditioned for the Magic Castle to be a member. They were very nice. All they wanted to see were three tricks cards or coins that were NOT self-working. I did my routine and was accepted as a magician member. After a few years I had to let my membership lapse (Life interfered) Now I am about to retire, so I will have a lot more time to practice. SO I am planning a comeback!!! lol My point here is that an audition wont hold me back.... been there done that . Thanks for all the opinions, it really helps..
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-29 22:24, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote: Did you go to a meeting, or were you expecting an invitation? The local groups have little way of finding out who all the dues paying members in their area are. I don't know about SAM. But getting a membership roster out of the IBM is impossible. No one in our club has ever seen one and our requests to obtain one go unanswered. Our club has never been contacted by anyone in the IBM nor had a visit from even a TVP. So it's likely that your local chapter had no ide that you were a new member in the area.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
I agree with Payne. If YOU want to join a club, it's up to YOU to find out about them and for YOU to show up. They won't be contacting you to see if you'd like to join them. It's up to YOU to take the initiative!!
Mark. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-30 08:15, mrunge wrote: I don't entirely agree. I think a TVP should get a listing of members on a quarterly basis. He (or she) should then go through the list and contact any new members and drop them a line. either a postcard, phone call or e-mail. Introducing himself (or herself) and welcoming them to the area. They could then tell them of any clubs or other magic related information in their vicinity. they also should scan the registry and if they find a number of members in an area that doesn't have an active ring. They should contact them and ask if they would be interested in forming one. Since they may be unaware that there are fellow magic enthusiasts in their area. Yes, all of this would take work. But if one wants the prestige of being a TVP there needs to be a certain as mount of responsibility that comes with the job. Otherwise it's simply a hollow honorary position. The national (and international) organizations often complain about the ever dwindling numbers of their memberships. but they never seem to do anything proactive to boost the numbers and encourage active participation in the group. I know that many in my local club have become disillusioned with our affiliation with the IBM and see no reason for it to continue as we garner no benefit as a club from the IBM and many members are tired of having to pay the national dues on top of the local ones. Especially when they see no benefit from doing so.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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mrunge Inner circle Charleston, SC 3716 Posts |
While I agree that they SHOULD do those things, they don't. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but accept it as what it is. It would take some work, and yes, it could be done.
My comment is that, given the way things currently work, if YOU want to join a club, then YOU will have to do the work. Simple enough as that's the way it is. As for returns on joining the IBM or SAM, aside from being a member in a national or international club, what you're really getting is a monthly magic magazine for about the same price as the others. Just my own thoughts. Feel free to disagree!! Mark. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2013-05-30 13:54, mrunge wrote: As has been discussed before on this board, there are some reasons that a membership can be seen as benefical to the individual. There is really no benefit to the club. So forcing people to belong to a national orgainisation so they can simply hang out with their magic buddies once a month seems unreasonable. Especially if they have no intrest in the magazine or attending the national convention.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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