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On 2013-06-05 09:26, MeetMagicMike wrote:
Cameron's post could not have been more straightforward and honest. He started off by saying he was biased because he has a trick on the DVD!


People only read the bits they want to though...that's the main problem here.
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On 2013-06-04 16:55, JackMagic wrote:
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On 2013-06-04 06:32, johndevacmaker wrote:
Wow Cameron Francis likes it so it has to be good right?

Oh Hang on Cameron likes everything.



Everything and Everyone

Don't think he has ever purchased a duff effect or written a bad review

Or

Maybe he does not want to upset any of his mates !


I do feel full disclosure on a review is important and the character of the person doing the review (whether they bought the product or a review copy was given) is the most essential aspect for the obvious reason if I can find the review trustworthy.

But jabs and comments like the ones shown above are uncalled for. Cameron isn't in every thread hyping up every product but when I do see him recommend something it is because he truly likes it. What is the problem with that?? And it's not like those items were shown to be lousy, either. I just don't get how some people can sit there and post their snide little comments from behind a computer. Need to grow up and think about what you post before you hit the 'submit' button.
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Nice talking around the issue, jack. You still didn't address why you were rude to me. Nor did you respond to my PM.

Johndevamaker did and here's what he wrote after I asked him what my problem with me was:

"Unfortunately Cameron you cannot take criticism
Not everything in this world is wonderful
Get over it"

I feel sorry for him, though. He obviously doesn't know the difference between a rude comment and a criticism. Because he didn't criticize me in his post. He simple made a sarcsric remark.

But to respond, I am perfectly aware that not everything in this world is wonderful. But this is a MAGIC FORUM!!! We're talking about freaking magic tricks, not ending world hunger! It should be a fun place. And I for one usually like to contribute positive energy to this forum. Except for this post... Ugh.
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Thanks Cameron for your review, VERY THOROUGH and thanks for taking the time to write it up! I will be picking this up just based on Vol 1 which was most excellent. But you providing an in-depth was great Smile
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I don't know him except from the Café but Cameron seems like a gracious guy. I suspect he is one of the people that would rather say nothing at all if he can't say something nice. This of course does not mean he likes everything. I feel this is usually the most appropriate online and offline conduct. Some times an experienced person will feel that a product has been represented dishonestly by the creator or seller and want to call foul if only to save less experienced magicians from disappointment and parting with their money. Usually these comments generate more anger than they are worth and at the end of the day most of it boils down to opinion anyway.
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I have met Cameron and you couldn't meet a nicer guy. Don't let them get to you Cameron!
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On 2013-06-05 07:58, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
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On 2013-06-05 04:43, JackMagic wrote:
As I have previously stated this might not apply to this DVD (I did purchase Vol 1 and thought it was Great) the fact is until the proper reviews come in no one can say for sure, only need to look at Shin Lin Effect “Smoke” everyone was raving about it but once the “Real” Reviews came out it was very clear that it was not as great as certain people had claimed and NOT a worker in the real world!

Same could be said about the self Bending Paper Clip, might be great on You Tube / TV (except you only find out you can’t perform this without permission) something that the early reviews did not mention as this was only posted inside the DVD Box, what was only clear from reading the actual reviews that again this item was hardly a worker, could not perform in walk around and cannot be given out at the end, which after bending an item this is naturally what people would want to look at

This is the Point I was making always best to read a review from someone that has purchased the item


We are talking about a different scenario here though.

With products like "Smoke" and "self bending paperclip" you don't know WHAT you are buying as there is no precedent.
Only the effects those creators have made before of course, but in examples such as smoke and bending paperclip (as for any new magic trick/prop/method) there is justification in waiting for outside reviews.

However in the case of this DVD, this is the second volume to a DVD set that already exists.
If you want to get a sense of what Vol. 2 is going to be like, you need only refer to Vol. 1!

This isn't like smoke where its some new thing where its unknown if it will be any good, Ultimate S-W Cards Tricks Vol. 1 is already out available to purchase and has been reviewed I'm sure.
That already should help people get a sense of what type of product Vol. 2 will be without the need for external reviewing first.
With a product such as this you can decide for yourselves using Volume 1 as a basis!

Also the description of the tricks that you can do on this DVD, the knowledge that they are all S-W, the trailer that shows one of the tricks....all of that on TOP of knowing what Volume 1 was like should be ample to decide if Volume 2 is a product worthy of your cash.
In this case, certainly in my opinion, there is no need for someone else to tell me if this is worth my time.

Volume 1 was great, this looks to have the same quality (why wouldn't it? same people creating it, on the DVD etc.), the tricks sound great.
In this instance I really don't need someone else to tell me 'this is worth getting' before I decide to get it.

if it was a brand new concept of a trick/prop/method then yes, I will want to get a better idea for what I'm buying first from other people, but in THIS CASE, what better example is there than VOLUME 1?? *shrugs*

The fact that Vol. 1 was awesome (and I share this opinion also) does not prove that Vol. 2 will be the same. It has a good potential to be so, but might also not be so. And this is why a review is always welcome, but it has to be objective, and with no hidden purpose. (I do not hint that this is not the case here, I just mention this.)
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On 2013-06-06 03:39, richard_mentalism wrote:
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On 2013-06-05 07:58, ManchurianMan83 wrote:
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On 2013-06-05 04:43, JackMagic wrote:
As I have previously stated this might not apply to this DVD (I did purchase Vol 1 and thought it was Great) the fact is until the proper reviews come in no one can say for sure, only need to look at Shin Lin Effect “Smoke” everyone was raving about it but once the “Real” Reviews came out it was very clear that it was not as great as certain people had claimed and NOT a worker in the real world!

Same could be said about the self Bending Paper Clip, might be great on You Tube / TV (except you only find out you can’t perform this without permission) something that the early reviews did not mention as this was only posted inside the DVD Box, what was only clear from reading the actual reviews that again this item was hardly a worker, could not perform in walk around and cannot be given out at the end, which after bending an item this is naturally what people would want to look at

This is the Point I was making always best to read a review from someone that has purchased the item


We are talking about a different scenario here though.

With products like "Smoke" and "self bending paperclip" you don't know WHAT you are buying as there is no precedent.
Only the effects those creators have made before of course, but in examples such as smoke and bending paperclip (as for any new magic trick/prop/method) there is justification in waiting for outside reviews.

However in the case of this DVD, this is the second volume to a DVD set that already exists.
If you want to get a sense of what Vol. 2 is going to be like, you need only refer to Vol. 1!

This isn't like smoke where its some new thing where its unknown if it will be any good, Ultimate S-W Cards Tricks Vol. 1 is already out available to purchase and has been reviewed I'm sure.
That already should help people get a sense of what type of product Vol. 2 will be without the need for external reviewing first.
With a product such as this you can decide for yourselves using Volume 1 as a basis!

Also the description of the tricks that you can do on this DVD, the knowledge that they are all S-W, the trailer that shows one of the tricks....all of that on TOP of knowing what Volume 1 was like should be ample to decide if Volume 2 is a product worthy of your cash.
In this case, certainly in my opinion, there is no need for someone else to tell me if this is worth my time.

Volume 1 was great, this looks to have the same quality (why wouldn't it? same people creating it, on the DVD etc.), the tricks sound great.
In this instance I really don't need someone else to tell me 'this is worth getting' before I decide to get it.

if it was a brand new concept of a trick/prop/method then yes, I will want to get a better idea for what I'm buying first from other people, but in THIS CASE, what better example is there than VOLUME 1?? *shrugs*

The fact that Vol. 1 was awesome (and I share this opinion also) does not prove that Vol. 2 will be the same. It has a good potential to be so, but might also not be so. And this is why a review is always welcome, but it has to be objective, and with no hidden purpose. (I do not hint that this is not the case here, I just mention this.)


Yes that was my point, everyone has a Hit and Miss product out , if I can recall I don't think WPR gave a glowing review to Cameron's last effect,

I was only trying to point out it is always best to wait for an review from a person that has purchased the Effect and not given it for free or in Cameron case is involved with the product, bit like Colonel Sanders telling everyone that KFC is the best in the world without declaring he was behind the "Secret Recipe"
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Obviously I don't do much posting, but am a great listener here on the Café. I just felt I had to say that Cameron is a real gentleman. I have purchased most of what he has on his website and he is a pleasure to do business with. On occasions I have even e-mailed him for his advice on an item I was purchasing elsewhere, and he was gracious enough to send me an honest reply. So as far as I am concerned, I value Cameron's opinions here on the Café.
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On 2013-06-03 20:23, sgtgrey wrote:
LOL, Cameron!

So, I'm familiar with most of these:

1. Mind Mirror - the original handling is in Expert Card Technique (Hugard & Braue) - fantasic effect, and a "springboard" of a few recent releases and ideas.
2. Convergence - Francis' own release on his website. There's a reason it's popular. Smile
3. Stock Exchange - John G's Discoveries & Deceptions
4. Sense-stational - Ryan's Making the Cut as well as his Penguin live lecture
5. Poker Pairadox - Bannon's Bullet Party
6. Four most - (Not sure?!?)
7. Password Fallacy - Subsequent Impuzzibilities
8. Amara Rises Again - Against all odds (Rachel Colomini)
9. Blind Choice - Karl Fulves' More Self-Working Card Tricks

I'm sure some of these may be published elsewhere, but within my personal collection, this is where I first learned or read most of these effects, with the exception of Four Most by Peter Duffie, which I've never seen or heard of before. What I can say is that the names of each trick sticks in my mind in part because these are all really great effects! I haven't seen the DVD, but I have seen the Vol. 1 DVD and can say the production quality and teaching was very good. Assuming the Vol. 2 is just as good, this definitely looks like a good release.

Anyway, I'm not attached to the project, and I don't own the DVD, but considering I knew most of the effects I thought I'd chime in and say that if you haven't seen or learned what's on the list, you are in for a treat!


The description of 'Poker Pairadox' doesn't sound anything like Bullet Party. I think you are mistaken there. I actually think it is a renamed Nick Trost effect "Matched Picture Cards", maybe not in handling but certainly in effect.

Rob
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In addition to the fact that this DVD has a precedent, it is also a "greatest hits" collection of previously released material. Presumably, their methodology in choosing effects for inclusion is roughly the same as with Vol. 1 since the same company and same people are involved. There is no shortage of great self-working card tricks out there. So I think it is more than reasonable to assume that this collection will be comparable to the first in quality.

On another note, there is a definite trend of people selling their own magic products posting exclusively favorable reviews of other products. This seems like a reasonable business decision, as the last thing you want to do in a niche market is alienate anyone. Nor does it require or even suggest duplicity. The creator/reviewers are likely posting only on products about which they like something and focusing on the things they genuinely like.

That being said, I don't place much reliance on such reviews, as I expect there is often another side of the story they are not providing. It would be like listing all the pros of a product and none of the cons. The pros may be things the reviewer genuinely finds to be positives, but without any negatives, you just aren't getting the complete picture. Unfortunately, most of the pre-release reviews seem to be of this kind -- creators gratuitously sharing their products with other creators, who then post positive reviews. In most cases, it pays to hold out for a broader spectrum of reviewers once the product has been released to the public.
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On 2013-06-06 08:59, Robmonster wrote:

The description of 'Poker Pairadox' doesn't sound anything like Bullet Party. I think you are mistaken there. I actually think it is a renamed Nick Trost effect "Matched Picture Cards", maybe not in handling but certainly in effect.

Rob

Poker Pairadox is one of the routines on Bannon's Bullet Party DVD
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Poker Pairadox is one of the routines on Bannon's Bullet Party DVD


I am an idiot... I was thinking of bullet train
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Just had to jump in and also say what a class guy Cameron is -- I made a mistake on the Café in referencing a review of one of his products. Did he get mad, defensive, attack me? Nope, he wrote me a really nice note, along with a copy of the product to check it out for myself. Not only was I blown away by his behavior, the DVD was pretty awesome too. I have subsequently bought 3 of his products just to support someone with that degree of integrity.

As for the DVD I am mixed. I LOVED volume 1, but the descriptions of the effects on 2 don't grab me as much. That said, like others I will probably buy it on the strength on DVD 1.
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BigBlindMedia is having an awesome sale. If you haven't purchased Volume 1, you can place a preorder for a combination of both volumes at a 25% discount. That is what I would do if I didn't already own the first one. Anyone sitting on the fence about purchasing the set should go ahead and save the money and hit the buy button.

I went ahead and placed a preorder on Volume 2 because I know I am going to purchase it anyway, and with NYC taxes, I won't save any money by waiting when compared to the British pound and since shipping overseas is only a couple of dollars.

Can't wait!
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I bought Vol. 1 and I didn't regret it one second (see my review in the thread about the first DVD). It is the most 'practical' DVD I have ever bought. I am a hobbyist and by far not a professional magician. For people like me (but I'm sure also for professionals) the ideas, routines, tricks were great. Well explained, easy to do, baffling.

Looking forward to volume 2 Smile
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Same here, very satisfied with Vol. 1. Surely Vol. 2 will bring some more fresh creative ideas to the table. I'll be standing by waiting to order my copy.
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I'm in,ordered both volumes 1&2. Just had to jump at the chance for the special offer that BBM have got going on with these.
When you look at the contributors to the 2 volume set, well it speaks volumes. Self working effects from some really class acts in the field I consider it money well spent. Even though some of these I have in ebook form, I just had to jump in and get this set, to see the way they are presented and to be able to put my own stamp on these.
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